Letter to a future Republican strategist regarding white people

November 9, 2012

To whom it may concern regarding the United States federal elections of 2014, 2016 and beyond:

Allow me to introduce myself to you, the existing (or aspiring!) strategist for the Republican Party. My name is Eric Arnold Garland and I am a White Man. Boy, am I ever – you need sunglasses just to look at my photo!

If I read the news correctly, I fit a profile that is of extreme importance to the GOP, as I embody the archetype that fits your narrative of Real Americans. Just how much should my profile interest you? Are you sitting down?

  • My family lineage goes back to the MAYFLOWER, BOAT ONE!!! (Garland family of New England-> John Adams -> Howard Alden -> Plymouth colony ->KINGS OF MUTHAF***IN’ ENGLAND)
  • I am a heterosexual, married to the super Caucasian mother of my two beautiful children who are, inexplicably, EVEN WHITER THAN I AM.
  • I am college educated (Master’s degree!) and affluent.
  • I am a job creator and small businessman.
  • We pay a lot of taxes! Every year!
  • I grew up in a rural area and despise laziness!
  • Having started my own business, I have complained at length about the insanity of federal, state and local bureaucracy – and its deleterious impact on the innovative small businessman.
  • I currently live in the suburbs in a historically Red state.

HOLY WHITE PEOPLE, BATMAN!!! Wow, you’re thinking – this is not some Mexirican in the Sun Belt we need to attract via harsh anti-Castro policies or appeals to “valores de familia” - this is the BREAD AND BUTTER OF THE GRAND OLD PARTY, a Mayflower-descended small business owner, burdened by taxation, looking out for his beautiful White family in the suburbs of a city (St Louis) surrounded by racial tension and urban blight!

How can I put this gently? My wife and I are not sensitive to your messaging, nor did we vote for the candidates you proposed for us this past Tuesday. 

B-b-but, what? Aren’t we investors, hard-workin’ white folk surrounded by same in a manicured cul-de-sac, scared by a vision of economic collapse amidst the takers in a land of fewer givers? Didn’t Mitt Romney’s strong family, wealth, leadership history and chiseled chin give us the uncontrollable urge to high-five him into the White House?

No.

May I explain why not, purely for your education, such that you might be interested in winning an election on the national level at some point in the future? It bears pointing out that I should be your Low Hanging Fruit, the easy vote to get as opposed to, say, African-Americans, Latinos, or Asians – and you’re not even speaking well to me. The reasons why ought to concern you deeply.

As a Card-Carrying White Male I love expressing my opinion irrespective of whether people care to hear it, so let’s get started.

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Science - One of the reasons my family is affluent is that my wife and I have a collective fifteen years of university education between us. I have a Masters degree in Science and Technology Policy, and my wife is a physician who holds degrees in medicine as well as cell and molecular biology. We are really quite unimpressed with Congressional representatives such as Todd Akin and Paul Broun who actually serve on the House science committee and who believe, respectively, that rape does not cause pregnancy and that evolution and astrophysics are lies straight from Satan’s butt cheeks. These are, sadly, only two of innumerable assaults that the Republican Party has made against hard science – with nothing to say of logic in general. Please understand the unbearable tension this might create between us and your candidates.

Climate - Within just the past 18 months the following events have come to our attention: a record-breaking drought that sent temperatures over 100 degrees for weeks, killing half the corn in the Midwest and half the TREES on our suburban property – AND – a hurricane that drowned not New Orleans or Tampa or North Carolina but my native state of VERMONT. As an encore, a second hurricane drowned lower Manhattan, New Jersey and Long Island. The shouted views of decrepit mental fossil Senator James Inhofe of Oklahoma that this is a fraud perpetrated on the American people by evil, conspiring climate scientists is belied by such events and is looking irresponsible to even the most skeptical.

Healthcare - My wife and I are quite familiar with America’s healthcare system due to our professions, and having lived abroad extensively, also very aware of comparable systems. Your party’s insistence on declaring the private U.S. healthcare system “the best in the world” fails nearly every factual measure available to any curious mind. We watch our country piss away 60% more expenditures than the next most expensive system (Switzerland) for health outcomes that rival former Soviet bloc nations. On a personal scale, my wife watches poor WORKING people show up in emergency rooms with fourth-stage cancer because they were unable to afford primary care visits. I have watched countless small businesses unable to attract talented workers because of the outrageous and climbing cost of private insurance. And I watch European and Asian businesses outpace American companies because they can attract that talent without asking people to risk bankruptcy and death. That you think this state of affairs is somehow preferable to “Obamacare,” which you compared ludicrously to Trotskyite Russian communism, is a sign of deficient minds unfit to guide health policy in America.

War - Nations do have to go to war sometimes, but that Iraq thing was pretty bad, to put it mildly. Somebody should have been, I dunno – FIRED for bad performance. Aren’t you the party of good corporate managers or something? This topic could get 10,000 words on its own. Let’s just leave it at: You guys suck at running wars.

Deficits and debt - Whenever the GOP is out of power, it immediately appeals to the imagination of voters who remember the Lyndon Baines Johnson (!) administration and claim that the Republican alternative is the party of “cutting spending” and “reducing the deficit.” The only problem with your claim is that Republican governments throughout my entire 38 year life (Reagan, Bush 41, Bush 43) have failed to cut spending and deficit and debt EVEN ONCE. I hope you understand that your credibility suffers every time you promise one thing for three decades and do the EXACT OPPOSITE. Egads – if you actually were the party of fiscal responsibility – you might win our votes despite your 13th century view of science!

Gay marriage - As the child of Baby Boomers who got divorced (as was the fashion!) in the 80s and 90s, and for whom 50% of my friends had their homes broken by divorce in the critical years before age 18, I sure am unsympathetic to your caterwauling bullshit that “gays will destroy the sanctity of marriage.” Perhaps if everyone in your generation didn’t take the period of 1978 – 1995 to start surreptitiously banging their neighbors and coworkers, only to abandon their kids because “they just weren’t happy,” I would take your defense of marriage more seriously. The institution of Middle Class suburban marriage was broken by the generation of aging white Baby Boomers who populate what is left of the Republican Party, so your defense is wrongheaded and disingenuous. And moreover, as someone who got called “faggot” about 127 times a day from the years 1985 through 1991 – guess what – I grew up to be pretty good friends with actual homosexuals, whose sexual orientation is usually the least significant thing about them. The Republican perseveration on homosexuals as any sort of threat consigns them to history’s trough of intellectual pig dung.

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That’s quite enough for one essay, wouldn’t you say? Now, given my initial description as a wealthy, hard-working, job creating, heterosexual, married suburban White Male – doesn’t your current platform look woefully insufficient to the task of gaining my vote? This doesn’t even get into the demographic tensions that show that people of my exact profile are going away permanently in America. You can’t even win on what you perceive to be “home field advantage.”

Uh oh, wait, I can already hear you through the web browser, dismissing all of my above points because THAT GUY WAS NEVER GONNA BE A REPUBLICAN ANYHOW, CUZ HE’S A LIBRUL WHO HATES AMERICA AND…

All right, let’s do one last point:

Meanness- Your party is really mean, mocking and demonizing everyone who does not follow you into the pits of hell. You constantly imply – as Mitt Romney did in his “47% speech” – that anybody who disagrees with you does so not by logic or moral conviction, but because they are shiftless, lazy parasites who want “free stuff” from “traditional Americans.” Wow, you guys managed to follow up a stunning electoral defeat with insulting the very people you wish to attract for a majority in the political system! Brilliant! You are losing elections because being angry and defensive and just-plain-mean is more important than being smart and winning elections – and thus you deserve everything happening to you.

If you want to know exactly where you failed in 2012, and will continue to fail, here it is. Look you assholes, I’m as traditional an American as it gets, and I do not “want free stuff.”  I am a taxpayer, and ALWAYS HAVE BEEN. I got my first job – dragging bags of cow manure, horse feed and fertilizer around a farm store – when I was 12. I started my first company when I was 28. I have followed the vast majority of the rules set out for middle class white males (for good and for ill.) And if it weren’t bad enough that your policy positions are a complete clusterfuck for the reasons I lay out in great detail, you manage to follow up the whole exercise with insulting me, my wife, and my friends of every stripe who didn’t vote for your political party – all of whom are hard-working, taxpaying, job creating, law abiding, great AMERICANS of EVERY COLOR AND CREED.

From this white, Mayflower-descended strategic analyst, allow me to offer you the three strategic options you have before you:

1. You drastically moderate your platform to harmonize with the policy positions I present above

2. You disband the party and reorganize it to reflect current realities

3. You kick and scream and stamp your feet and call me and my friends names – and submit to several decades of one party rule

While I do not want a one-party system, I also don’t particularly care which of these options you choose. If you look carefully at the numbers on Tuesday, nobody else cares, either.

Just a word to the wise from one White Man to (presumably) another.

  • http://net-savvy.com/executive/ Nathan Gilliatt

    With you up until the end. We’re not designed to work as a one-party system, so we need the GOP to rediscover the benefits of rationality and constructive engagement. It would make both parties better.

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      I agree completely! But it’s not up to me whether they make this rational and positive choice.

    • John Kusters

      We need two parties, sure, but not necessarily Democrats and Republicans. If Republicans squander their opportunities as badly as they did this election cycle, there are other parties that might be willing and able to step up. The Libertarian Party candidate for President got significantly more votes this year than in years previous. If the Republicans don’t watch out, in a few cycles, it may be the Democratic Party versus the Libertarian Party at the top of the ticket.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=844980144 Travis Hughes

      To be fair, we don’t work well as a two-party system either, once both parties begin to forcibly lean toward extremes and are more willing to hurt the American people instead of compromise on something. Moderates need a more powerful voice in Congress.

  • http://www.postlinearity.com gregorylent

    what is your take on direct democracy?

    in a hyperconnected age where space and time have melted, the representative form of government where elected locals are sent to washington seems nearly anachronistic ..

    as for parties, i see the usa as a one-party state; yes, there are two factions, but they are mutually funded by the same interests, preside over the same impulses present in NSA, FBI, SEC, CIA, FDA, FCC, etc … and direct democracy could bypass much of that ..

    anyway, i wanted your opinion .. thanks, gregory

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      Great question! Actually I think a “one party” system will be the same as the dissolution of the current paradigm. The disappearance of the second-half of the system will result in the dominant paradigm separating out into new factions along different lines of thought. The old myths are the ones dying, not just a single, poorly-run political party. And the new myths will come from the demographic make-up of the country, not to mention the incredible new technologies that will connect us.

      This is much MUCH bigger than the GOP melting down – it is the end of an era. Right in time for 2012.

  • http://www.chinavortex.com pdenlinger

    This article is FUCKING AWESOME! I liked it so much I posted it to Reddit’s Politics section. Hope it sends you a ton of traffic.

    Here is an answer I posted on Quora: http://www.quora.com/Republican-Party-U-S/What-are-some-good-arguments-for-and-against-the-Business-Insider-claim-that-the-Republican-Party-is-imploding-in-Presidential-races/answer/Paul-Denlinger

    Be sure to check all the links.

  • http://www.facebook.com/andrewrmossman Andrew Mossman

    Wonderful article, Mr. Garland. Maybe email a copy to the local GOP?

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      Todd Akin lives five minutes from my house. I don’t figure the local GOP is likely to accept this essay in the spirit of Socratic dialogue for which it is intended.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=844980144 Travis Hughes

        Just go tape it to his door like an eviction notice. :)

        • http://www.facebook.com/donna.leaf Donna Leaf

          Or nail it to his door – like Martin Luther at Wittenberg -

          • Richard Gadsden

            I think he’d need another 88 theses for that.

  • dcarmody

    Thanks for speaking for so many of us who cry from the wilderness.

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      Just callin’ em as I see ‘em. Thanks for reading.

      • http://www.facebook.com/linn.denton Linn Denton

        I read in dismay, you want Republicans to become Dumbocrats. How outlandish. I’m really beginning to wonder if you are really a dumbo rat posing as a real American. I am a real American I am American Indian. Choctaw to be exact. I didn’t need a boat ride to make me more of an American than you my Great Grand Mother was on the Trail Of Tears! Now that said I am a minority that has never never ever ask this country to make my way. I educated myself although I’m not as educated as you pretend to be. I see blue sky all thru your rant. You took my people and put them on reservations killed them in great numbers. Now you want gays Mexicans and Blacks to rule America. All I can say is you get what you vote for good luck with that. I have my own Nation The Great Nation of Choctaw people and I can tell you Oblamer will never be our president we have our own. Hahaha!!! The greatest leader in the world. Thank you Chief Pile.

        • http://profiles.google.com/gurnemanz Tom Barclay

          I don’t think Mr. Garland is old enough to have caused The Trail of Tears, sir, nor do I see any suggestion from him that you or the Choctaw Nation should be excluded or in any way penalized for being who you are from the American future. But if you want to excommunicate yourself, no one can stop you.

          • HotMessNSeattle

            The funny thing about the Choctaw Nation has a strong history of slavery. As a result, there are many tribal members of the Choctaw Nation who one would identify as being Black. Plus, there are many, many Choctaws who are part Mexican.

        • HotMessNSeattle

          If you are an enrolled member of the Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma, and you use the Indian Health Service, or any other service indirectly funded by federal funds – guess what, you are taking from this country, too!

        • 20pizzapies

          just don’t get it do ya Linn ? Besides you sound pretty much a white man in Indian charade , a common practice used in deceptive arguments to give an impression of an outside unbiased opinion . It rarely works , since what comes out of your mouth usually gives it all away , as is in your case .Sorry CHUMP , in So.Fla , there are Seminole and Micsukee tribes , none of them would ever talk like you . Beat it and come back with a different disguiase .

        • Deborah Bonner

          Ridiculous!! American Indians came here from somewhere else too. We are willing to be respectful of you IF AND WHEN you accord others the same respect you seem to expect. Until then practice moderating your racist language. You sound very ignorant and totally intolerant and that has nothing to do with your lack of a formal education.

          • HotMessNSeattle

            I’m Black and Native myself, and I personally hate it when people say that Americans Indians came to this place from somewhere else. People usually say that to mean that Indians aren’t truly native to this land, and they immigrated here too. Ultimately, it is an attempt to undermine our claims to being indigenous to these lands.

            The Irish people are the descendants of immigration waves from the Iberian peninsula, Scotland, Wales, France, Scandinavia and England. How come no one ever tells the Irish that they aren’t native to Ireland? Red hair and green eyes came from Scotland by way of Scandinavia but we think those Irish are indigenous to Ireland. There has been evidence that tribes have existed in this place dating back 50,000 years so are you saying that because tribes weren’t here for 50,001 years (which is contrary to our origin stories), that they aren’t native to this land?

            No. That’s ridiculous!!

        • http://www.facebook.com/bennett.schneider Bennett Schneider

          To insert detail into your previous critiques (well earned by you): Your statement contradicts your argument. If you claim to be “more American” than the author, you are adopting a European name on non-European peoples. The notion of “American” refers to the hybrid culture and people composed of: European culture, Native American culture, African immigrant culture, Latin, and various Asian cultures. Where do Apple Pie and Hot Dogs come from? Who invented Baseball? Lacrosse? Rock and Roll? White people, Native people, and Black people: We are ALL Americans now. Some living with freedom and justice and some dis advantaged and living with injustice (of which the Native man and women have certainly had horrifying shares).

          You decry white rule and then blame for the resurgence of Mexican immigration. Guess what: the Mexicans immigrating are descended from both the native peoples and even the European peoples who were already here: we took half of Mexico in war. So do you argue that Land and culture displaced in War means legitimate rule? If so then your own argument for Native culture fails as it too was taken in War. (I do not so believe in the legitimacy of War. I do believe in the fluidity of culture and peoples).

          The worst of your post is the name calling. Did you read the author’s most important point? Mean people suck. What kind of America are you honoring by dividing us with antipathy and silly school boy name calling? We are all Americans now, whatever our Ancestors did. That said, Let’s talk about policies in a mature manner with policy specifics and without hyperbole.

          • http://twitter.com/kimkingmccallum KimMcCallum

            Well said Bennett

        • Dobbin

          “Now you want gays Mexicans and Blacks to rule America”… as a member of the second* genotype of people to make it to this land, and given your views of The White Man and his historic actions regarding this nation and your people, I am surprised at your vitriolic reaction to the notion of ANYONE other than The White Man being in charge (though I’m not sure how being a homosexual changes you from being White, but no matter). It seems to me that you might be happier to let someone other than The White Man run things for a bit… so why the complaints?

          *recent archeological finds in several locations along the East Coast of the U.S. support the theory that Early Europeans were here as much as 25 thousand years ago, beating the the Early Asians who crossed the Land Bridge by several thousand years.**

          **Regardless of that fact, none of you did anything with this land in the time that the Roman Empire rose and fell. You should have had Jetsons Cities here in the 9000 years you had this place to yourselves. You can’t complain when a more advanced tribe comes along and beats your ass and takes what you have. You wasted your shot. It sucks, but that’s the price we pay as a SPECIES to advance.

        • http://twitter.com/kimkingmccallum KimMcCallum

          You completely make his point with the meanness. And underscore it with the fact that you don’t realize your nation is on permanent welfare rolls (that millions of “Mexicans & Blacks pay). Really think that Mexicans & “Blacks” are beneath you?! The Brooklyn Bridge called. It wants you to wake now.

        • http://twitter.com/ltheghost BossmanL

          Your opinion is yours and yours alone. The Choctaw people and the Nation is a great one but your opinion is limited at best. No one group of people rule the land. You should know better than this.

        • Margie G

          Linn Denton, there is no need to show anger with name calling to Eric for his article above. He is only showing the reader the problems of the Republican Party. Since most all polls and the actual election showed that the Republican party got a higher percentage of WHITE males to vote for THEM, he was showing why HE (a white male) was NOT happy with the GOP platform.
          When he said: “Your party is really mean, mocking and demonizing everyone who does not follow you into the pits of hell,” and then YOU calling him a “dumbo rat posing as a real American,” only reaffirms what he said.
          Don’t blame his ancestors for your Choctaw Indian demise. I actually sympathize with what you are saying, but bringing in that issue has nothing to do with his GOP subject above. Since you have your own president as you say, then you don’t need to worry about “Oblamer” as YOUR president.
          You have YOUR own nation but reap the benefits of the United States. You have access to the internet, you benefit with scientific discoveries in medicine (please thank Eric’s wife), but I do realize that like all of us, you also suffer the degradation of our environment — in which the GOP could care less about.
          Don’t blame blacks because they were brought here as slaves. Don’t blame MY relatives, for they came here as immigrants from Poland in 1900. Don’t blame Mexicans for coming here, I would too if I lived in that country. Don’t blame gays for being born that way. Don’t blame the Mayflower for creating a fantastic ship and bravely coming to a new world. Many countries have done a great injustice to its people, and you need to get over your anger with what was done to your people.
          Another thing that I do not understand is why do you hate “Oblamer” since like you said, he is NOT your president, so what has he done to YOU to cause such hate????

        • tomandyourmom

          HAHAHAHA. The “greatest leader in the world”? You sound like the homeless guy down the street who claims his mutt is the Grand Emperor of Zarbazz.

          “I am a minority that has never never ever ask this country to make my way”

          Except for casinos
          And reparations.
          And relaxed laws beneficial to the reservations.

          Give it a rest.

      • Meredith Bailey

        As a fellow exceptionally Caucasian Mayflower descendant, who grew up, went to college and grad school, and now works for a biotech company in the states to the west, the east, and the south, respectively, of your great home state, no, really, thank YOU. I insist.

  • Ken in NJ

    Great article – thanks so much for making so may key points and making then artfully and succinctly. Staggered by the confirmatory biases and ineptitude of the current version of the GOP which has been hijacked by its worst and meanest elements. Where are the moderate and rational republican voices and the party of Lincoln who freed the slaves? Its a same for the county that the republican party has strayed for its valid core principles into a hateful and exclusionary party dominated by narrow minded and cynical operators. I am Indian and a 1st generation american but we have a lot (in terms of our education and outlook) in common.

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      Thanks, Ken.

  • http://twitter.com/StellaMoon60 Lisa Monzon

    Excellent article, Eric. I’m a middle aged, partially disabled white woman, married to a Latino man – who works his butt off in the local public hospital, as gasp (this to your imagined audience) not a janitor, but a CAT Scan technologist, whose salary makes us nearly middle class. I say nearly, because, since I became ill, I have not been able to work and our income was cut by a full 2/5ths. We have been struggling since, but we thank God, the Universe, the Great Cosmic Bunny, what have you, everyday that we have health care, enough to eat, the ability to pay for heat and communication services, and not a lot else. You are a bright and entertaining writer – people like a little chuckle with their reality checks. Lets hope that we can come together and fix what is wrong in our nation, and spend our national budget in a positive manner, rather than to blow up people who have resources that we covet. Speak true, Eric, and stand strong. We’ll get through it, or we won’t. Either way, we will have tried our best.

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      God bless you, Lisa, and may you be in good health. As far as the national cohesiveness goes, I think we’re going to be fine, because there is a rising consciousness of sticking together as neighbors, if not as one national entity. Be well.

    • http://www.facebook.com/ryan.bracy Ryan F Bracy

      Holy crap! You know about the Great Cosmic Bunny? (May we be forever sheltered by his floppy ears. Amen!)

      • http://www.facebook.com/staceyschweiger Stacey Kelley Schweiger

        Wait – there’s another god besides the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Blasphemy, I tell you!

        Eric – I am a Democrat, and I really enjoyed (and agreed with) your post. Very well written and humorous!

        • Pastafarian

          Ramen.

        • http://www.facebook.com/dixielouemmie Dixie Bowman

          I didnt know about the Great Cosmic Bunny either! Oh my- Fred the Purple People Eating Octopus (who lives under everyone’s beds) is going to be super p*ssed when he finds out. You better check under your beds…. Fred is waiting. Or the Great Cosmic Dust Bunny. VERY well written article Eric- finally an article that makes me feel SMARTER for having read it :-)

        • Foo Bar

          Hey, don’t disrespect the Invisible Pink Unicorn. Being both invisible AND pink is clear evidence of divine majesty.

  • ElizabethVT

    As a generally liberal female from your great home state, I thought you hit the nail on the head. What frustrated me most in watching the Republican Party campaign this past fall were not its’ positions on health care, immigration, or gay marriage (although I disagree with them in regards to all three), it was in witnessing how childishly GOP officials conducted themselves. Watching Mitch McConnell say that his greatest goal is to make Obama a one-term president, despite the serious issues his state faces, really makes me wonder why anyone would vote for someone so single-minded and uncooperative. I hope the GOP realizes that it is in need of a serious image change, and that future Republican leaders move more in your direction.

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      I couldn’t agree more. If you read elsewhere on this site, you’ll read some of my recollections of what really happened in the crash of 2008. To believe the briefings of the bankers and CEOs, we were on the brink of a collapse of the world currency system that would have made the Great Depression look like misplacing your wallet for a couple of days. And then, ten weeks later, as banks, car companies and other major corporations announce that they are leveraged 100:1 for the dumbest shit in the world and Barry Obama is just trying to keep stuff from going sideways, these guys promise to do nothing but attack? Forget TV, if you knew what was happening behind the scenes, you’d be even angrier.

      It is time to grow up.

      God bless the Green Mountain State!

      • Jessica Green

        Why did you refer to President Obama as “Barry”?

        • Chovie.

          barry soetoro – google.

          • abc

            His name is not Barry “Soetoro.” “Soetoro” is the last name of his stepfather and half sister. He has always been “Obama.” And yes, as a child, he went by “Barry,” but grew out of it, just like many “Jennys” become “Jennifers” and “Billys” become “Williams.”

        • Sunny Day

          It was the name he went by when he was younger.

        • http://profiles.google.com/firstname.lastname65 Firstname Lastname

          Interesting, isn’t it? I’m sure W was called “Georgie” at some time in his life, but diminutives are used toward adults for pretty much one reason, to minimize and infantilize. Unless you are someone who knew Mr. Obama when he was called that, you should probably stick to “Mr. President” or “Barack Obama”, when speaking about him, even when you think you’re being complimentary. I wouldn’t call Barbara Boxer “Barbie”, or Marco Rubio “Marky”.

          • gimme a break

            Hey, I’ve got an idea– let’s pull some detail totally non-germaine to the point of the paragraph and harp on it to avoid any real productive conversation about the ideas and issues. Are there any punctuation or spelling errors we can point out to further ruin the conversation?

          • Firstname Only

            I’m copying this and saving it for future use. Excellent for Facebook arguments, Internet forum disagreements, and the Special Olympics…

          • BreakingDeadMen

            Are you familiar with the concept of irony?

          • Chris

            Come on. Bill Maher, Maureen Dowd are just two liberals who call him Barry on national media fronts. “Barry O” sounds awesome.

          • JT

            Maureen Dowd calls him Barry because she doesn’t respect him.

          • David Cavanaugh

            call him Barry, call him Barack….also call him our President and someone who should be treated with respect.

          • http://www.facebook.com/pat.houseworth Pat Houseworth

            I prefer to call the clown the Kenyan Pole Smoker….

          • homegrownsmoker

            Yeh. Bigotry is never pretty.

          • CptnRn

            I can’t imagine how your comments could be more irrelevant to the topic being discussed. Typical republican ignorance.

          • Katherine Walton

            That says more about you than it does about him. And what it says about you isn’t pretty.

          • http://twitter.com/topscientist Top Scientist

            Typical classy GOP comment. Thank you for illustrating the article perfectly, you sad little half-wit.

          • http://www.facebook.com/pat.houseworth Pat Houseworth

            and the asshole deserves no respect…ask the families of those he let die in Libya.

          • JoshME

            What about all of the people Bush let die on 9/11 and every day since the war in Iraq started? Nobody is criticizing Bush for this.

          • CptnRn

            Typical republican, spewing hate and insults.

          • Robert Hume

            If you are so concerned about our foriegn policy, sign up. I did. I spend 14 years fighting for our country so people say stupid shit on the internet. Your welcome.

          • Katherine Walton

            Thank you for your service, Robert.

          • http://www.facebook.com/claude.suhl Claude Suhl

            Thank you for your service and for your accumen. Signing up is what Pat Tillman did despite disagreeing with the overall plan and then his family found the cover up identifyingly extended right up through Gen Stanley McChrystal. Tillman died because the higher ups didn’t want to helivac out or blowup a malfunctioning Hum-V. The best analysis of the failings of our military policies is by Col. Andrew J. Bacevich , Ph. D. in History, who lost a son in Iraq 2004. His thesis in “The Limits of Power” is basically we are not getting our money’s worth and we cannot police and organize the whole world to the unrealistic likings of those in power. Another aspect of failed Republican policy to add to the well constructed list of Mr. Garland. Many prominent Republicans, such as Colin Powell and former Senators, had signed up with Republicans for Obama for just the reasons mentioned by Eric Garland and and many conservative ordinary people in Red States are sick of these endless non-productive wars! We probably shouldn’t have messed around in Libya with personnel on the ground!

          • Katherine Walton

            Go ahead, ask them. You’ll find that they actually *do* respect him. But don’t let the facts get in the way of a good hate rant.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

            Yes, why don’t you ask the Stevens family?

          • Jessie

            Oh grow up! I wonder where you heard that bullcrap from. What did some misinformed person tell you that?

          • http://www.facebook.com/claude.suhl Claude Suhl

            hmmm??? those few who died in Libya by NOT being ensconced in a fortress, which would have nullified any “good” they could do and rendered them a hostile occupying presence – those “losses” in a battle/intervention intermittently (read Republican flip-fopping) urged on by angry Republicans – these losses pale against the 3,000+ 9/11 victims who were not defended properly because Condo Leaser paid no heed to intel that “Al Qaeda was determined to attack the U.S. using planes”, which was followed up with 5,000 deaths and 40,000 terribly wounded of our soldiers in the unnecessary invasion of Iraq , followed by ongoing futile deaths in Petraeus’ surge in Afghanistan which goes on and on today. Petraeus DID betray us , just not in the way we imagined – what a surprise. And you RepubliClowns are carrying on about some insignificant Benghazi incident??

          • Mega Butt Michelle

            How about ‘Marxist asshole’ that just about covers it.

          • Katherine Walton

            How about you educate yourself on what “Marxist” actually means? Oh, wait. You want to abolish the Dept. of Education.

          • Jessie

            That is so disrespectful not to mention so anti-American. The man is not a socialist.Try moving to a truly socialist country before you compare the two. More than half of this country does not get government assistance thank you!

          • Jennifer Einolf

            Um, isn’t “W” a diminutive nickname?

          • j

            it’s the long form of ‘duh’

          • Newspeaktogo

            Seriously, you people have respect for politicians? You investors who subscribe to this website should understand that before voting for any political party is that they are both lawless and corrupt. To worry about if Obama is called “president Obama” or any other name is being ludicrous ! Understand that this country is changing and it is changing for the worst because it has become a total welfare state. Don’t you study the Euro crisis? Are you watching the developments in France, the UK and the middle east? Get off the subject of political parties because you’ll just turn this website into just another political forum!

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

            Uh, no, we are not a “total welfare state”. We have less of a social safety net than any other developed nation, by a wide margin.

          • Jessie

            Again I repeat less than half of this country receives any government assistance! If you don’t like it go sign the stupid petition to be excused from the country. Oh and apparently you did not read the article because that was the point of the whole article was to let the political party know what ludicris they promoted this election!

        • http://www.facebook.com/shirley.williams.75685 Shirley Williams

          Name dropping.

        • http://twitter.com/EleanorPie Eleanor Pierce

          Many people refer to Barack Obama as Barry to make him sound a) like a normal guy b) more white.

          • David Cavanaugh

            neocons refer to him as Barry….as in http://www.humanevents.com check out hate!

          • Katherine Walton

            Really? Like who?

        • http://twitter.com/BadExampleMan BadExampleMan

          Because, as Lee Atwater pointed out back in the ’80s, “nigger” is out of fashion.

          • Jessie

            Don’t you dare speak about my president in that language. That is the most racist thing you could say!

        • http://www.facebook.com/dwills3 Denise Wills

          Barry is the nicikname his grandparents called him growing up, is that a problem?

          • Katherine Walton

            It is when it’s used as a sign of disrespect. Which it is here.

        • Angel

          Because that the name he went by in college!!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/GordonWayneWatts Gordon Wayne Watts

        Not sure what happened, but I can’t find my reply (nothing bad was in
        it), so here is a retry (where I explain why I mostly agree with you)
        >>

        I’m the dude who almost won in court for the (pro-life)
        Terri Schiavo case –all while DISAGREEING with Jeb Bush on the feeding
        tube issue –so, on that last point, liberals should be glad I opposed
        Jeb’s meddling, and on the 1st point, since I addressed lack of FOOD and
        WATER -not feeding tubes, and JESUS, HIMSELF agrees with my assessment
        of the food denial issue in Matthew 25:31-46, “Conservatives” (read:
        REPUBLICANS) should also not complain to me at all.

        But, guess
        what? While Mitt Romney was not actually a gay-hater (see cite below),
        you are correct, Eric: The GOP spends more than it makes — it is
        liberal — but so are Democrats –actually, no matter WHO gets in power
        (Democrats OR Republicans) we almost ALWAYS end up going DOWN in our
        economy, and UP in our deficit, so both sides are losers to me.

        PS: I wasn’t blowing smoke in re Schiavo: Google me to verify. – In the mean time, I think most of your points are valid.

        Romney doesn’t Flip-Flop on Gay Marriage: (Even the liberal PolitiFact by the liberal St Pete Times agrees)

        “Meanwhile,
        in an interview with KDVR-TV in Denver, Romney said, “I don’t favor
        civil unions if they are identical to marriage other than by name. My
        view is that domestic partnership benefits, hospital visitation rights
        and the like are appropriate, but the others are not.”…But despite
        making policy overtures to gay voters, Romney consistently drew the line
        at gay marriage, even as far back as 1994.”

        * http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/15/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-has-maintained-consistent-stance-same/

        (“Mitt Romney has maintained consistent stance on same-sex marriage,” PolitiFact)

        • ccrider27

          Good post, but I especially like the bible quote. I wonder if Paul Ryan has ever looked at the middle verse (40) in that quote.

          And speaking to the same quote…

          You’re right about Repub vs Dem, there’s no difference. Both parties have thrown millions of hard working Americans out of their homes while coddling the Wall Street uber-fraud mob with additional $Billions in welfare so they can keep their bonuses, salaries, homes in the Hamptons, helicopters and the rest of their blood money. Both parties have permanent war as one of the planks in their platform – gotta keep those Pentagon contractors on their welfare rolls as well.

          It’s time for a third party to at least be heard.

          Green Party Platform:

          1st Plank: Get the money out of politics. Comprehensive Campaign Finance Reform

          2nd Plank: Direct Democracy as a response to Local needs and issues

          3rd Plank: Community Activism – build communities that nurture families, generate local food, good jobs and housing, health care for all and provide public services.

          4th Plank: Media Reform and Free Speech For All – not just the corporate plutocrats.

          • CSheets

            When the Green Party shows they can win at the local level I will vote for them for Federal office. Run for school board, city council, township board, county commission. You are not vialble at the national level and are wasting your money. Be as smart as you think you are.

          • homegrownsmoker

            As i knew Obama would win by a landslide, despite the media’s efforts to convince us all of otherwise, I was happy to give my vote to the Green Party. I do think they need better front runners though.

          • Angel

            Landslide?

          • ccrider27

            All I said was give them a listen. They got none this cycle primarily because of the takeover of the debates by Rep/Dem lobbyists. Remember when the League of Women Voters was in charge?

            I vote my convictions and for the party that best reflects them, not according to who is going to win – which is a self-defeating approach. Using the lesser of two evils approach we will always get more evil and have now gotten the evil which we most feared.

            If more people simply followed their own values, we would have a much different world.

          • Thomas Broido

            Don’t forget term limits. The most powerful legislators are the ones with the most seniority but their effectiveness is largely negative or obstructing progress.

        • arguethefacts

          No this is one of Mitt Romney’s flip-flop-flip-flops. As Governor of Massachusetts Mitt Romney opposed hospital visitation rights for same sex partners, he opposed domestic partnerships, he opposed adoption by same sex partners. He even went so far as to deny birth certificates to children legally born to married same sex partners. He also denied any birth certificate changes to children adopted by same sex partners. He also invoked a very obscure 19th century law (that didn’t really apply) to deny any same sex marriages for non-Massachusetts couples hoping to come to the state to be married. Of course, out of state heterosexual couples were allowed to marry in Massachusetts and have their marriages recognized elsewhere.

          When Mitt Romney was running for the Senate against Ted Kennedy (who trounced him by 17 points), he said he would be to the left of Ted Kennedy on gay rights and a woman’s right to abortion. What he meant was that he would be so far to the left he would travel round the world and end up standing to Ted Kennedy’s right on those issues.

          • Darkrose

            A Massachusetts law that was specifically intended to keep interracial couples from other states from coming to Boston to get married. There’s a disgusting synchronicity there: the guy from the church that didn’t admit black people were human until the 1970′s used that law to keep the people he “didn’t realize had families” from getting married.

        • ManDingo

          Once again, the false equivalence between the parties. I wonder how often its been said that Bill Clinton presided over a budget SURPLUS? If you want to be taken seriously, stop trying to mislead and ignore the facts.

    • http://www.facebook.com/lucas.mingst Lucas Mingst

      The problem is they already think it’s just an “image” change. They have to change their fundamental stance or everyone will see through it. They thought they could fool folks this year and got slapped for it at the polls. Judging by what their “leaders” are saying they didn’t learn anything.

      • http://www.facebook.com/charlie.self1 Charlie Self

        I would doubt GOP sincerity for many years after they start to claim a liking for Hispanics and homosexuals. Many years.

        • Jack

          I don’t think the GOP hates either group. Just because you are not willing to overturn 5,000 years of cultural tradition over a 10-year timeframe to elevate SSM to regular marriage, does not a hater make. This also does not “tell anyone who they can love.” Neither is there hate for Hispanics. What is your opposition to protecting the borders of a nation & restricting immigration (like Mexico does – I guess THEY hate Hispanics) to a legal flow, as has been the historic pattern until recently?

          • Jeremiah

            I would like to respectfully point out that immigration issues entirely aside, the intrinsic hostility the GOP has towards naturalized, legally immigrated, and American-born Hispanics is not much diminished. When you add the bullheadedness regarding immigration issues to the mix, and therefore start dragging in relatives, loved ones, or even simply the nationality of one’s direct ancestors, the GOP has a poor pitch indeed for the Hispanic vote. There are many countries who handle their immigration laws reasonably and with much less hullaballoo. Most of the ugliest of the policies enacted regarding illegal immigrants come from GOP legislation, like the ongoing proof of citizenship nastiness.

          • girlpolice51

            No Jack, what makes them haters is the laws they want to pass that benefit only them. Or others they refuse to pass that benefit anyone else. From what they say out loud we know just what they think of any minority. Be it women, blacks, latinos, gays.etc. But, oh wait, now THEY are becoming the minority! But, they shouldn’t have a problem with that since they treat minorities oh so well!

          • Shawn

            Same sex marriage is not overturning 5000 years of marital tradition. There were rites in the Christian tradition in the 10th and 12th centuries for gays and lesbians to marry.

            But more than that, a country that touts equality and then gives over 1000 benefits based on something that only applys to a potrion of the population is wrong. That country is NOT equal. And saying that it is doesn’t make it so. Gay marriage is about equality, not some backward agenda to destroy the sham that is heterosexual marriage.

          • Matt Hooper

            Two lesbians purposely bringing a child into this world – knowing the child will never have a father- is outrageous in my little world. Extreme cruelty. Kids are not accessories so you can play house.

          • Sam

            and how many children that have been raised by two mothers do you know that feel this great sense of deprivation? because most people I know raised by lesbians are thankful to have two people who wanted to be parents so badly to be brave enough to raise a child in a world that doesnt accept their family type. most people I know who have actually had the experience of being raised by gay parents are pro gay marriage…but I’m sure you know better than them.

          • Jack

            Your world IS little, as is your understanding of human emotion. Your penchant for hyperbole is not.

          • http://www.facebook.com/brian.longo Brian Longo

            Your argument is so without merit that it’s only too easy to counter. You, sir, should direct that response to people who do not take care of their children and expect society to take care of them, like this fine example of an exceptional woman right here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bavou_SEj1E. Tell me again about “extreme cruelty.”

          • Katherine Walton

            You said it: “…my little world.” Fine. Live in your little world. Study after study after study proves that children brought up in same-sex households do just as well, *or better*, that those brought up in opposite-sex households. But don’t let facts get in the way of your “little world”.

          • http://twitter.com/Shuruppag Shuruppag

            As someone who does have a father…it’s pretty overrated, to be honest :)

          • Erica Robinson

            See, the problem is that by denying same sex marriage full civil equality you ARE causing severe human suffering, regardless of your intentions. It’s not an issue of tradition, history, or personal preference – it’s about allowing consenting adults to make their own decisions about the one other person that they will give those rights and responsibilities to, and make a likewise commitment to, and respecting that decision. It’s about protecting the children in these families – families that already exist regardless of their legal standing. It’s about reducing the ability of people to discriminate against and harass people they don’t personally know, out of spite and self-righteousness and ignorance and a desire to assert that somehow it is *your* problem that some stranger disagrees with how you live your private life. And do not turn to this “everything but marriage” idea – the only reason to make a “separate but equal” distinction is so that people can discriminate. I should know – I live in a state that granted domestic partnerships to same-sex couples (now upgrading to marriage, finally) – and have heard several stories about how this distinction was used to DENY partners the *very* rights that the partnership was supposed to grant. Imagine having to keep your marriage license on you at all times or risk being barred from your spouse’s bedside – that is what it was like for same-sex couples in our state – carry your DP certificate or hospitals won’t honor it. This would never happen to a married couple, because if a hospital tells one kind of married couple to “prove it first,” they’d have to tell *all* married couples to “prove it,” or run afoul of anti-discrimination laws.

            This should never be about whether or not people *approve* of these relationships – it’s about it being nobody else’s business, and guaranteeing loving, consenting partners the same rights that society has already determined that loving, consenting partners should have. These rights are there to minimize suffering and promote stability, and I believe that anyone who would deny these rights to adults they have never met, or would like it to have a different name so they can differentiate things that are supposed to be equal, is sticking their nose someplace it doesn’t belong, and is certainly no true Christian. If a person would deny these people something this basic, they are not being charitable of spirit, and are sitting in judgement of their fellow humans, a place the Christian God reserved for Himself only. They are flaunting their religion like a pharisee in direct opposition to the teaching Christ, who said God preferred prostitutes and tax collectors to self-righteous, self-proclaiming “godly” people. They are not treating the “least” among you with kindness, and so they are not treating Christ with kindness, and they are instead contributing to the unnecessary suffering and indignity experienced by their homosexual neighbors, who they were instructed to love.

            Our homosexual neighbors are not asking for our *blessing*. It is already a moral travesty that they are compelled to ask our *permission.* If you vote in opposition to same sex marriage or discriminate against same-sex couples, I am 99% certain I will see you in Hell (if such a place exists), because you are running counter to practically every direct instruction from Christ regarding correct treatment of others (especially the judgment part). Seriously Christians, read your bible and get your priorities in order. Gays mentioned: like twice. Kindness mentioned: like entire new testament. Hispanics: not even invented yet. Ergo: if you err, err on the side of kindness and generosity of spirit. Err on the side of personal liberty and personal responsibility. Err on the side of equality. Because, really, if homosexuals really are the demons “Christians” (of the judging kind) say they are, then treating them the way they *ask* you to treat them (which is respectfully and equally) can only count as extra credit.

          • FaintCryofFreedom

            @3cb752c88d88624d7f96b1975dd0bcd0:disqus: You’re my heroine. Very well said. Thank you.

          • FaintCryofFreedom

            Also, I’d like to point out a term which the Europeans (especially those in UK) have adopted over the years since they approved same-sex marriage: Whether hetero or gay, many people now refer to their respective spouses as “partners”. I believe it illustrates a significant shift in their societies’ views of marriage -whether between a man & woman, or two people of the same sex- away from the notion of ownership & into the realm where it should be -partners in love.

          • jr

            You make some reasonable points, but I suppose it all comes down to the definition of marriage.

          • Chris

            Marriage, as an institution, has ALWAYS changed to suit geographic and societal norms. It’s akin to polygamy no longer existing. Same sex marriage is not an affront to the institution, it’s ALREADY a part of it’s rich and diverse history, having existed in past cultures.

          • FaintCryofFreedom

            @Jack: Actually, yeah, it DOES make them haters. I watched Reagan during the burdgeoning AIDS as he ignored it & did basically nothing for the gay community. Saying the GOP hates homosexuals is too soft. They despise us & would rather see us dead. That’s what happened back in the 1980s->They consigned thousands of gay men to premature deaths.
            Your assertion that gay people have only been seeking the right to marry like heterosexuals tells me how ignorant you truly are -that you would speak about that which you have limited knowledge of. We’ve been seeking the right to marry for decades. You’re probably completely unaware of this because…..gee, you’re straight. What would you really know about what gay people want & for how long we’ve wanted it?
            And your other assertions are simply disingenuous -when we consider the things we’ve heard from the mouths of the ignorant GOPers.

          • Muzzi

            I lost my son to that horrible disease because Reagan refused to put any more money in research.
            A small country like France was ahead of us in research. They came out with the AZT drug cocktail a month after he passed away. He actually died of sepsis from the hospital because of his lowered immune system. Reagan and others judged the sick people as being unworthy to spend any research dollars on for a cure. When I told people what my son died of, they stepped
            back as if they would catch it from me.

          • Whedon Activist

            My thoughts are with you and your family

          • Muzzi

            Thank you.

          • Fred

            You didn’t lose your son because Reagan didn’t fund research – you lost him because he knowingly engaged in behavior that caused him to catch the disease. Make you choices and live with consequences. I don’t worry about AIDS because I don’t stick needles in my arm or another man’s dick up my ass.

          • Stunned

            Dear Ignorant F**k: Wow are you stupid. Are you really one of those morons that still thinks that only drug users or gay men can get AIDS? How’s that hole you’ve been sticking your head in since the 1980s? Yeesh.

          • Fred

            No, I’m one of those educated people who understand that MOSTLY (not exclusively) gays and junkies get it, as opposed to morons like you, who push politically correct but factually idiotic propaganda.

          • David Cavanaugh

            neocon much?

          • caroqp

            Fred, I would advise you read a bit, for your health’s sake. HIV and AIDS are now equally prevalent in both straight and gay communities

          • Fred

            Not even close to true. Yes, straight non-addicts can get it, thank you gays and junkies for bringing it into the general population. Were it not for their insanely promiscuous and wilfully reckless lifestyle, the general population would not now be at such risk. For most people, it’s still just as true as it ever was – don’t stick needles in your arm and don’t stick dicks up your ass, or have sex with people who do either of those things, and your chances of getting AIDS drop to almost zero.

          • dbolander

            And Fred, you are precisely why the GOP will die with you. I would never vote for a candidate whose supporters may hold your general level of ignorance as truth.

          • Fred

            It won’t die. It may have to adapt some, as politically correct idiocy ascends, or maybe less, if common sense and education replace politically correct but ignorant propaganda. Yes, there are many moralistic and superstitious idiots who support the Republican party, just like the Democratic party, but there are somewhat fewer Republicans who subscribe to the PC wishful thinking of “AIDS is everyone’s problem” and similar rubbish. If you studied any real history, instead of listening to the politically correct garbage the libs and dems spout back and forth to each other, you’d learn where AIDS came from, how it spreads (and how it DOESN’T spread), and maybe you’d have a clue about reality. But I doubt if you will, and that’s understandable. It’s certainly much easier to repeat slogans, and call straight people homophobic and ignorant, than make the effort to really learn something.

          • lickystick111

            Hey Fred? It appears that you’re talking to a real person, who had an actual kid who died (as far as I can discern, this seems true; at least, I don’t have any reason to disbelieve it and neither do you), and being a complete asshole in order to make an (also loathsome in itself) philosophical point. So I hope you don’t mind me saying: I hope you get raped at knifepoint by an HIV+ person of whatever race scares you the most, and then die in a gutter. Kind of like what just happened to your shitsmear of a political party. You are morally subhuman.

          • JR

            Ignorance must be bliss, because MANY people have contracted that disease in a variety of other ways. Hope you remain happy in your small small brain.

          • Katherine Walton

            Fuck you, Fred.

          • David Cavanaugh

            I’m so sorry….

          • Katherine Walton

            I’d say ignore Fred and those like him, but I know that it’s hard and that it hurts. So I’ll just say that I was a college student in the late 70s and lost way too many friends my age in the early 80s and that I hold you close in my heart; as closely as I held dying friends. Much love to you, from a stranger who cares.

          • Jack

            Ok, I’ll grant you that I may not have the full history of the gay struggle at top of my knowledge list, but if you’re seeing all this hate, you’re hanging out with the wrong crowd of, er, Republicans? You’ll see it as patronizing if I note the dramatic change in tolerance and acceptance of homosexuality just in my 40-something years. As Eric notes above, the (other) f-word (for gays), WAS a common slur in my high school days. It’s utterance now in my “Republican” circles, at least is so unheard of as to invite scorn and disdain. This does not mean your life as a gay person is perfect, but I dare say your “progress” has come faster than that for many African Americans. As for blaming Reagan for AIDS deaths in those early years, it’s unfair. It has taken years and hundreds of billions of dollars to reach some survivability level against a truly dreaded disease. There’s a lot more to be said here, but my energy wanes. Fightin’ liberals is fearful tirin’ work.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

            The dramatic change in tolerance has been no thanks to you or your party, who have fought against treating us like people relentlessly, every step of the way. And no, there is nothing “unfair” about blaming Reagan for the deaths, which he obviously desired; of course it was going to take years of work and a lot of money to fight the disease, which is why the work should have been started early.

          • girlpolice51

            Jack you need to read a little more. It is a know fact that Reagan absolutely chose to ignore this disease solely because it only affected gays.

          • freeopinions

            I dunno, Jack. We had a 300 year “cultural tradition” in this country of buying and selling people like livestock. Once purchased, a human being became the “property” of a “master” who could order the person to work until he dropped, be sold, chained, lynched, or whatever else he desired, and no one could interfere, because the (black) person was the master’s “property.” Eventually a war was fought which resulted in the slaves being freed; freed only to be hated, discriminated against and shut out of society for another 100 years. Not really a tradition worth emulating, in my opinion. If you think that there is no one in the GOP who hates blacks, or you think that the GOP does not cater to and solicit the votes of the hatemongers, just read some of the more vitriolic posts on right wing web sites.

          • Jack

            Oh brother. No one suggested emulating a tradition of slavery, did they? It was an evil that needed to go and did, despite the fact that it still exists in some nations. And the discrimination that continued in various forms & places, very often perpetrated by Democrats, I might add, was also evil. Still, while forced segregation was also wrong, there were thriving black families, economies and people in — of all places — the deep South through much of the 20th Century. The Civil Rights struggle — often aided by Republicans — was a crucial advance, however, the resulting “War on Poverty” Great Society Initiatives (notice where the enlightened politicians wanted to get in on the act), led to a new enslavement. Now those same misguided programs have brought generations of poverty and dependency; many of the thriving black families, businesses and societies have been hollowed out or destroyed. And, by the way, I never said no one in the GOP hates blacks; in a different post, I allowed that there were haters (as in every human community), but that this is a tiny subset that is not rewarded or welcomed by leadership or the majority. Yes, there are some vitriolic right wing websites, but hate & vitriol is by NO MEANS limited to the right fringe. Take a walk on the left side (see the post above just for starters) to see the ugliness of liberalism.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

            The “ugliness of liberalism”??? Let’s recap: you started off saying you should continue to discriminate because, after all, it’s been that way a long time. It is pointed out that other terrible things have been continued, simply because they had been going on a long time, and that this is not a good thing to do. You are, in fact, suggesting emulating the tradition of slavery, because you are suggesting that evil things ought to be continued whenever they are long-standing traditions; that was the whole point, which your whole post here is simply evading. SubRock tried to evade it by claiming, falsely, that slavery did not have a long history, and while it may have been rude of Katherine to point out that he was being stupid, in fact he was.

          • SubRock

            300 years, huh? That’s interesting since we celebrated our bicentennial in 1976. The Civil War ended slavery no later than 1865, which is roughly 150 years ago. If the rest of your post is as weak as your math ……………………

          • Katherine Walton

            Hey, stupid. Just because we didn’t become an independent nation before 1776 doesn’t mean that there weren’t settlers or slavery before then. Are you really that dumb? “In 1492, Columbus sailed the ocean blue…” Remember that?

          • SubRock

            Well, we started the name-calling immediately, and I had so hoped it wouldn’t come to that. So here goes…..

            Kathy, I’m glad to see you got your face out of your partner’s pimpled-ass long enough to read something enlightening. Columbus had what to do with this discussion? He landed in the West Indies, which is not part of America, dumbass.

            The poster I was responding to specifically mentioned slavery and “our country”. That is the United States of America which wasn’t a country before 1776. So go back to slurping ass and leave the thinking to those of us who have the equipment for the job. You stupid, slack-jawed waste of sperm.

          • free1thinker

            I’m not sure how this conversation devolved into name-calling and vulgarities and I have no wish to be involved in that aspect, but I would like to point out that our country’s history begins long before the Declaration of Independence. Surely you have noticed that multiple people on this blog have said their ancestors arrived at this country on the Mayflower. The Mayflower landed in 1620. You didn’t nitpick and say that their ancestors didn’t actually arrive in this country because it hadn’t been established yet…so why would you question that slavery existed in this country before the country was officially established? What is the point?

          • SubRock

            Our conversation has not devolved at all. I don’t recall either of us doing any name-calling.

            Okay, so you mentioned the Mayflower. That at least gives me a timeframe for your 300 years of slavery. So, with that in mind, slavery actually began in 1620 and lasted until 1920? I think you see what I’m driving at. 300 years is overkill, hyperbole. It’s not realistic.

            Was slavery repugnant? Absolutely. But we don’t have to embellish history in order to present it for effect. It stands on its own merit, or lack thereof.

          • free1thinker

            Funny that you don’t recall name-calling when your last post referred to name-calling in the first sentence and then you proceeded to refer to someone’s partner’s body parts in a vulgar way. But you’re right, not being able to recall it must mean it never happened. *sarcasm*

            At any rate, you questioned the 300 years as if it was very far off. It was clearly an estimate and it was close enough. Your argument wanted to count from 1776 to 1865 which would have been less than 100 years. So hyperbole or not, the 300 year estimate was a lot closer than yours, and your estimate was supposed to be a nitpicky correction. Whoops!

          • SubRock

            Please tell me what I called you that offended you? You seem to love to speak in generalities because the hard truth is elusive to you. Do you want someone to tell you that you’ve won your 300 year pity party? Well, okay then. You can be the winner. At least my bad memory doesn’t try to rewrite history. Now go have yourself a swell day.

          • freeopinions

            …and my math isn’t nearly as bad as your grasp of American history.

          • SubRock

            I would have to argue that point. You specifically mentioned slavery in the context of U.S. history, then you can’t recall how long our country has actually existed. Nor the fact that slavery was abolished 150 years ago.

            My grasp of history is actually pretty acute. I just don’t sling spurious historical quotes and expect people to believe them.

          • rumplestilskin

            overturn 5000 years of cultural tradition…thats funny… no one wants to overturn anything they just wanna participate.. like black people who want to vote etc etc…

          • http://www.facebook.com/jordanskeloric.zabel Jordan Skeloric Zabel

            The GOP can’t even manage to stop glorifying rape as being “a gift from God”. While I can agree that YOU don’t think racism and bigotry are caused by hate, most who have experienced them felt a lot of hate pouring through. There are people who honestly believe racism/bigotry are an act of love. The same folks who think rape is an act of love. The rest of us just don’t sweet that way.

          • jameshorn

            Didn’t this country overturn a longer-than-written-history cultural tradition in less than 5 years when the civil war was fought? The length of an inequity is not an argument for its continuation.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1447424459 Sue Germain

        The only way they will change is if they are voted out and people with brains take their place.

        • cindy

          The republican party needs to get a backbone and tell the tea party members to find a different venue for their minority extremist views!

          • FaintCryofFreedom

            I’d be inclined to blame what happened last week on TeaPartiers, except I’ve watched the GOP for 33 years (since the first time I voted in 1980) and they are hateful bullies, intent on shoving their agenda down our throats, rewarding their cronies along the way at the expense generally of the American People/taxpayer. At NO other time in history has their hateful, bullying methods been more blatant than during Clinton’s 8 years in office, and then Obama’s. They lack leadership, but they’re really big on bullying. I, for one, am glad they were shellacqued. They needed some come-uppance to remind them that their policies are as outdated as some of their hairstyles.

          • Josh F

            Who sounds hateful here? The OP as well as the majority of comments here

          • Katherine Walton

            Yeah. Except? No.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1642958568 facebook-1642958568

            Lincoln was a Republican; Teddy Roosevelt was Republican; Calvin Coolidge was a Republican; Dwight Eisenhower was a Republican. We need THOSE sorts of Republicans.

          • David Cavanaugh

            absolutely!!!

          • http://www.facebook.com/john.jensen.944023 John Jensen

            Curiously, would you also criticize Obamacare as being shoved down our throats?

          • Jeff

            Do you imply that there’s no hateful bullies intent on shoving their agenda down our throats that identify with the Burros? The Pachyderms are not the only ones with people who harbor that kind of disdain for opposing opinions!

          • David Cavanaugh

            the republicans were too extreme….there was no middle ground…

          • john

            Yeah! After all, it totally worked to get Mitt Romney in the White House when they told the Ron Paul voters the same thing!

    • cjacja

      The target audience was NOT you. Nor was it the educated white couple who wrote that letter. The two core groups were (1) uneducated white southern males. these peole don’t follow issues but HATE the idea of a black president. So words like “greatest goal is to make Obama a one-term president” were effective with that audience. (2) the second group is easy to understand they are people who care only about one issue: How much they personally pay in taxes.

      One odd thing is these two groups mostly do NOT overlap

      • Jack

        You liberals have the same blinders you accuse GOPers of wearing if you think Obama’s only opposition or Romneys only support came from those two groups. Just because many millions think Obama is leading the nation to ruin, or at best mediocrity, where millions of citizens continue to suffer, doesn’t put them into the two tiny groups you mention.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NY54SND7GDH3UX7QBQUERALT5Y J

          You sound like a moron. Grow up. Nobody buys into your angry whining anymore. Bullshit Mountain is coming down and you can either get used to it or leave.

          • Bill Nigh the Science Fly

            I find it amusing that you and so many others on this page insult, berrate, and accuse a wide range of republicans, and then go on to say that Republicans are the “mean party”.

            I do believe someone has been taking a couple healthy doses of “hypocrisy” with their breakfast each morning.

            This letter loses credibility and I lose interest in caring what he has to say because he can’t, apparently, get his words out without trying to shout profanity at me through the computer screen, even though I and many other republicans I know and converse with don’t use such foul, low class language. It really shows just how mature you guys are when the majority of you have to resort to childish insults to make your points – which aren’t usually that great.

            Last thing, you (by “you” I mean “most of the liberals on this page”) think Obama really destroyed Romney in the election, hmm? He won by a small, narrow margin. Don’t try to blow up the truth to make it seem like everyone hated Romney, when a significant number of people obviously voted for and supported him. Obama won the electoral vote pretty soundly, but had a very narrow victory with popular votes.

            I’m not going to be replying to anything else on this page because I was given this link by a friend, I don’t actually have any interest in this site; I do however hope you actually think about what I said, rather than come back and use more childish insults because you simply don’t want to be wrong. Again, in this sentence, I say “you” to mean “most of the liberals on this page, who are likely reading this comment with outrage”.

          • Shawn

            Actually, in order to incite outrage your comment would have to carry weight with me. However, given that it’s just the same ole… not so much.

          • Jennifer

            I had to scroll back up to find the “profanity” and found that it was once in the beginning (which I thought him to be making an exaggerated point, nothing more) and once in the end; to get to the end, you have to actually read through all his points, and anything thereafter are no longer points of real concern. That you have to try and take a stab at the credibility on two profane words that are inconsequential to the entire article is a stretch. I fail to see where there are ‘childish insults’ in any of his actual points. You say ‘aren’t USUALLY that great’, but don’t debunk any of his actual points (which I think are spot on).

            There is also a significant number of people who did NOT vote; Obama won the popular vote by over 3 million actual voters, but for those who chose not to vote or could not vote, I would be willing to bet that the margin would have been a lot greater had they done so. Each of my fellow working class, family-oriented, tax-paying, law abiding citizen friends and coworkers who legitimately could not actually make it to the polls cited they would (have) like(d) to vote for Obama.

            I am registered unaffiliated; I do not choose Republican or Democrat or even Independent. I choose based on the issues and what the candidates have to offer. Being from a traditionally Red State as well (Texas), I was one of those ‘traditional’ voters who voted Republican strictly on the basis that that’s what my family and tradition dictated; that changed when I saw the consequences of my blind actions.

            I am willing to bet that you won’t be replying because you know what you have commented is just as inconsequential as the ‘profanity’ you detest; it does not make the actual issues (that real voters care about) go away–actual points that the Republican party does need to address to regain votes like mine or the ‘average white American’ that they propose to be targeting.

          • Jack

            Wasn’t my post, but actually, I count the clearly implied-with-asterisks item at the start, a somewhat milder “BS” spelled out, he calls those disagreeing with him “a-holes” and then uses his big-boy F-word again (modified by the cluster compounding). Just sayin.

          • Jennifer

            And yet I had to do a search to find ‘shit’ and ‘fuck’; one still not directed at anyone, and the other a common descriptive of a ‘mess of things’, but neither at all consequential. Just shows that you actually have to be looking for them (and hard even) to find them, and that the overall post itself is not ‘shouting’ profanity.

          • FaintCryofFreedom

            Here’s a “just sayin’” point for you: So what. The blogger used profanity. Just like you rightwingers to dismiss those of us on the other side of the aisle because we got good & irritated with you & let profanity fly. Way to go. Loose the message in the way it’s presented to you. Typical & that’s PRECISELY why the rightwing lost last week. You just don’t get it. Then you criticize the message for the way in which it’s presented.

          • http://www.facebook.com/debibeads Debi Biderman

            It is the “Faux News” “way” to take the gist of an argument and ignore it and instead look for one or two small flaws in the way it was presented and then change the whole course of the discussion. As this was not a letter written about language and or our use of it in getting a point across…..the person who chose to use it (language) as an excuse to dismiss the letter writer’s argument was just being petty. I thought it was a great letter and its salient points were well made.
            However it is very difficult to take a long look in a mirror if you are not ready. The Republican Party as a whole is not quite ready for soul searching. Looking inward is difficult in the best of times and right now it is easier to remonstrate the President for calling Mitt Romney a Poopyhead then it is to take a look at where changes need to be made. Great Letter….Thank You

          • Sara in Brooklyn

            This makes sense – and it’s why so many in the GOP are now obsessing over presenting the message better, or differently, or with a special sauce for other demographics. Aside from the moral failings of the current conservative crowd – for which I do not blame Romney, though he’s to be faulted for not calling out a lot of nonsense – this isn’t a ‘branding’ issue. And we’re not so stupid that we didn’t “get the message” (heaven knows, enough money was spent on delivering it). We heard it. We didn’t like it, in droves.

          • Katherine Walton

            So?

          • LarryP

            I am not outraged at all. You call 332 to 206 a small, narrow margin? Am I being insulting by implying that you are missing the point?

          • BradG

            I believe he’s referring to the 50.5% to 48% of the popular vote as a narrow margin; which I’m pretty sure was clear to even you. It is certainly not a ‘mandate’ from the people. Nor is it a resounding approval of the President’s achievements in his first term. But nice job being condescending.

          • FaintCryofFreedom

            Just the mere fact that the GOP lost & by quite a quantifiable margin IS a mandate from the people to cease & desist with the ignorance that marks the current incarnation of the GOP. Judging by some responses here, you STILL don’t get it. People are sick of the GOP & their underhanded tactics, not the least of which were their push to deny millions of Americans the right to vote. Kinda bit you all in the arse, didn’t it? When will you cheaters learn.

          • Goosey

            A quantifiable margin in the electoral college, but the election really came down to about 400,000 votes in a few key states. The nation is obviously quite divided, not happy with Obama, but also not happy with what the Republicans put forth and articulated.

          • Katherine Walton

            3.5 million in the popular vote, at last count.

          • CindyQHP

            How did the GOP push to deny millions of Americans the right to vote?

          • Pi

            http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-likely-to-win-popular-vote-by-more-than-3

            Obama’s win not only is comparable to Bush’s 2004 popular vote margin (for which he claimed he had earned “political capital” that he intended to spend), but the two elections place him historically in select company:

            “Obama is the first President since Ronald Reagan in 1984 to win a majority of the popular vote in consecutive elections and only the third Presidential candidate to do so since Franklin Roosevelt. Since 1824, the year when official popular vote totals were tabulated for the first time, only seven Presidents have won a majority in consecutive elections; Obama, Reagan, Eisenhower, FDR, McKinley, Grant, and Jackson.”

          • http://twitter.com/SubwayShark SubwayShark

            Since the GOP has only won one popular vote in the last six elections, I’d say that Obama’s win was quite impressive comparatively.

          • Sara in Brooklyn

            Wikipedia says: “Bush won the popular vote with 50.73% to Kerry’s 48.27%.” He thought that was a mandate. What didn’t happen (either time) was a landslide. Which is a different thing.

          • Katherine Walton

            Yeah, except? This is one of the few Presidents in the last 50 years to actually gain a clear majority in the popular vote (twice!) as well as the Electoral. So, hey. Nice job being condescending.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

            Obama lost a few million votes in New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Connecticut because storm victims couldn’t make it to the polls, and in Ohio, Florida, and other places to suppression efforts. Nonetheless, it is clear now that the Republicans have permanently alienated the majority of the population; moreover, the Republican vote that is left is concentrated among the old, who will die out, while the young are breaking 60/40 against them.

          • caroqp

            I agree. Especially when you look at the margins in the previous elections…

          • http://www.facebook.com/lsheehan39 Lorraine Sheehan

            Well put Jack

          • tory

            the most telling part of this commentary is “I’m not going to be replying to anything else on this page” – because as is typical, republicans can rarely argue against any facts presented to them – about the economy, the debt, our healthcare system, science (rape, climate change) – and i find it absolutely hysterical that republicans try to imply that democrats are the party of hate.

          • FaintCryofFreedom

            This seems to be a big issue with rightwingers: That you DISMISS out of hand any dissenting opinion because “they used profanity” in trying to get their myriad points across. What you fail miserably to comprehend is just how long it took this man to degenerate to calling you all well-deserved (and profane) nicknames. YOU HAVE EFFECTIVELY PISSED-OFF millions of Americans. Not just a little bit, but A LOT. If we use profanity to express our collective irritation with what the GOP have done to our country, then so be it. Cuss away. BUT -it does not render our irritations moot. They are a healthy sign that WE are paying attention & your bullshit isn’t passing for truth anymore.

          • Oogie Wa Wa

            I know I was and still am very pissed-off and it had me swearing a lot of times, too.

          • LOL

            I cant remember the last time 3 million people was a “narrow margin”.

          • http://www.facebook.com/janet.v.pierce Janet Vaughan Pierce

            stop drinking the fox kool aid. Your ignorance is showing.

          • Sam

            I’m a liberal democrat and I would agree that the meanness comes from both sides, and both sides are equally guilty of trying to make it seem as though only the other party is mean…That being said, I don’t find this article to be mean or profane at all. There’s an issue with people getting so sensitive and easily offended by what the other side has to say that they don’t end up listening at all…

          • Katherine Walton

            Interesting how, if the margin by which Obama won re-election had actually applied to Romney, it would have been A LANDSLIDE OMG!!!! Also? Love the first sentence of the last para. Classic flounce! :) Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way out, dearie.

          • Jack

            What is moronic (or angry) about the post to which you responded? I grant you I’ve probably written angry, moronic stuff, but I’ve reread this one a couple times. Don’t see it. Must be the blinders. Or, maybe you’re projecting, as they say. Actually it’s kinda quaint to see liberals adopt the “love it or leave it” mantra. Toot-toot, the train to hypocrisy-land has left the station…

          • FaintCryofFreedom

            We’ve lived thru 8 yrs of GWB killing…..KILLING our country. I remember him, The Decider. Yeah, he & his party cronies decided to wage two wars without much thought to how they’d pay for them. They shipped BILLIONS in cash on Air Force planes that have disappeared. They allowed our banking execs to pilfer billions/trillions more. We don’t really care what you think about our “love it or leave it” mantra because we’ve LIVED thru decades of GOP “love it or leave it” rhetoric, all to the ruination of our country. If you don’t like what happened in this last election, or the mandate spelled out by the trouncing of your idiotic party, then by all means, do something about it. WE DID. Live with it. Or leave. Your choice.

          • thinker

            Can you point to a single thing that the Obama administration has done differently?

          • Katherine Walton

            Yes.

          • DrunkenOrangetree

            Reply to one of Eric’s points.

        • Shawn

          Yeah, OBAMA is the one leading us to mediocrity. Dubbyah had nothing at all to do with that.

        • David Cavanaugh

          we will have 4 more years of growth with our newly reelected President. Don’t like it? LEAVE.

        • Katherine Walton

          See, Jack? the thing is, you lose me at “You liberals..” What the hell is your point?

    • Jack

      How come I saw this post last night, it has 284 “up” arrows, and yet it just appeared as “new” posted 6 minutes ago. I call foul — maybe some Democratic voting officials are in charge. ;-)

      • Jennifer

        The post itself is showing from the 9th for me; and her comment shows 4 days ago.

    • Bigg

      what is a ‘generally liberal’ female? what constitutes the ‘general’ part? I’m curious, to me its like saying ‘generally pregnant’ or ‘generally drunk’

      • Melissa

        That’s actually not the same at all, but if it makes you feel better, okay. In my opinion, by saying “generally liberal” she means that on most issues she tends to side with a liberal agenda. Maybe on social issues she identifies with the Democratic party but on fiscal issues (which is a joke to call the Republican party “conservative) she identifies with Republicans. That’s being generally liberal.

        • Bigg

          in your opinion, which i didn’t ask for, you projected your interpretation onto Elizabeth and my guess is she is not a ‘moderate’ liberal but a granola eating, tree hugging, birkenstock wearing liberal

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.caroselli Tony Caroselli

            My guess is you didn’t get terribly good grades in remedial reading in elementary school.

          • Melissa

            What an ignorant, bigoted person you are.

      • http://www.facebook.com/tony.caroselli Tony Caroselli

        You can’t seriously tell me you’ve never even heard of moderates or left-leaning/right-leaning people. Has political discourse actually become THAT poisoned that you can’t even imagine what a left-leaning person would be?

        • Bigg

          i’m simply asking the question. ONe person’s moderate is another’s fascist/socialist.
          just a question about what ‘generally’ she is not a liberal about.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.caroselli Tony Caroselli

            No, one person’s moderate is an IDIOT’S fascist/socialist. There’s a big difference. Fascism and socialism are, like “pregnant” or “drunk,” words with well defined specific meanings. “Liberal” and “conservative,” on the other hand, are like “west” or “east” – broad directions which give no sense of degree or distance. Which is why we use adverbs like “generally.” Both Iowa and California are west of the Mississippi despite Des Moines being 1,700 miles east of Sacramento. I know there are people who believe Iowa borders the Pacific. Those people are insane morons.

          • Ross Bagley

            While right-wingers tend to fantasize that the left is nearly fascist, the closest thing to a fascist state today is the “everything is private” corporatist fantasy-land currently proposed by the right.

          • Katherine Walton

            Except no, it’s not. Fascism and Socialism are two entirely different things. But heaven forfend you should actually have to make an educated comment.

    • http://www.facebook.com/john.jensen.944023 John Jensen

      I believe what McConnell said is that his biggest “political goal” was to stop Obama from succeeding in instituting his platform. In other words, he doesn’t think Obama’s vision is right for America and he’s going to oppose it. Not well said, by any means, but not the unyeilding, scorched earth kind of statement that it gets reported to be.

    • bass_voice_of_reason

      Mitch McConnell is only nominally a senator from Kentucky. For years he has actually been a representative of K Street.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Studley-Riprap/100003033072121 Studley Riprap

      Right – which was SOOOO unlike the Democrat position regarding Bush during his first term. You people are such unbelievable hypocrites. Don’t tell me, you’re also against Bush’s “warmongering.” But you say nothing regarding Obama’s killing of civilians, or his illegal use of the military in Lybia. You probably also have no idea what the 2012 NDAA is or who signed it into law and what it entails. I am certain that if George Bush had signed it you would be up in arms. But you’re not. You’re nothing but an unthinking liberal whose joined in with the rest of the unthinking liberals, goose-stepping your way through your own hypocracy and your own delusions in support of a man, policies, and a party that does nothing more than strip the freedoms from people. You and your ilk think taking money from people and giving it to others is what freedom is about. You believe that it is the government that has made this country great. No doubt you also think your own farts smell great. You’re wrong on all accounts.

  • Jenny

    How refreshing. You’re a good man, Eric.

  • Gigi

    Brilliant! I’m sure you and your wife want to make your own family planning decisions too! I hope like-minded Republicans will come out of the closet and make their voices heard. Thanks.

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      Come out of the closet is an interesting choice of words for some of the above.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=656828581 James Morgan

    Well put and well-said. As a teacher It sums up my thoughts from the past few months until now perfectly. This is a perfect piece of writing and the republicans would do well to read it, digest it, and mull over it instead of dismissing it out of hand because it does not agree with their iron-clad, preconceived notions.

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      It’s the tragedy of iron-clad notions – they depend on people not challenging them.

      • MaryLF

        The day of the ironclads is well past.

      • http://twitter.com/janetaba Janet Tabares

        Funny thing about Ironclads, they sink!

  • http://www.facebook.com/anthony.belvedere Anthony Belvedere

    Loved this! Well written, although I did find a typo. Anyway, big mahalo from The Aloha State. This is now on my FB wall.

    • km2012

      It’s a blog post.

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      I’m a professional writer – WHAT’S THE TYPO?

      • Snapdragon7

        I didn’t see any typos that you didn’t intend to be typos (e.g. “librul”). Also, *applause*.

      • http://www.facebook.com/judith.berkowitz Judy Berkowitz

        Eric,
        Although I read your essay for content and not for form, you may wish to move the end paren in the first sentence of the “Gay Marriage” section so that it reads:
        “…divorced (as was the fashion in the 80s and 90s!) and…”
        instead of
        “…divorced (as was the fashion!) in the 80s and 90s, and…”

    • http://www.facebook.com/codyfdavis Cody Davis

      I would also like to see said typo

  • km2012

    I love this. Thank you. It’s not enough to say that the Republicans lost because the demographics are changing – there are plenty of white people who don’t align with their nonsense these days as well.

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      I am a big fan of nonsense, but not this particular brand of it.

  • kyle

    Awesome post sir.

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      Merci beaucoup.

  • hyperlocavore

    Might be worth calling them on their willingness to work with people whose one aim is to obliterate the line between Church and State, and the abject racism and sexism they have held onto and used in the service of their party for about forty years now. Cosy-ing up to fundamentalism has made the GOP a joke.

    • drsharna

      Amen.

  • Michele

    Standing ovation sir!!

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      *bows*

  • drsharna

    Kudos! I’m also a very Caucasian Mayflower descendant with a neuropsychology PhD and politically an independent moderate (although the GOP has swung so far to the rabid-ass right that moderates appear as flaming liberals in comparison, but that’s another story). I’m also a woman with daughters, granddaughters, sisters, and many female friends, all of whom I love deeply. The ridiculous stance the GOP took on women’s issues was such a deal breaker for me that I could barely drudge through their other platform positions (also largely delusional) and absolutely could not bring myself to check any of their boxes when the time came to vote.

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      We’re big fans of smart women in this house, and women in general. Thanks for sharing.

    • http://www.facebook.com/judith.oconnor369 Judith O’Connor

      I’m with you. I did, however, drudge through the Republican platform and engaged in dialoge with Republican friends trying to understand where they were coming from. That said, I could never get beyond their stance on women’s rights – or stripping us of our rights – while speaking of smaller government while planning to build more government to punish women for the same rights that others have. I am not a decedent of the Mayflower, I come from a line of immigrants that came to this Country for a better life and have thrown themselves into the tax producing economy of business. I love the fact that we have two parties and that we have choice and hope that people like Eric will lead the Republican party back to the center where conversations, and compromise produce quality answers, policies, and platforms that will have us standing tall again as a Country.

      • A Little Voice From The Middle

        Can you please be more specific about your comments regarding stripping us of our rights? Punishing women? I really do not get all this.

        • http://www.facebook.com/karen.davis.9256 Karen Davis

          On the chance that you’re serious, how about (1) birth control, yeah, that’s part of it. Since it increases how much we have to pay for health insurance. But there’s also (2) women don’t need equal pay, they just need to get home early to cook dinner for their husbands, and (3) rich women are doing the greatest job ever by staying home with their kids while poor women are takers and moochers and need the dignity of work, so day care for them! and (4) a woman is of less importance than a zygote, and (5) single mothers are somehow to blame for gun violence (I have to say “somehow” because Mr Romney wasn’t really clear about the causation, but it was definitely there. Are those enough for you? ‘Cause there is more.

          • Me

            Just to play devils advocate – 1) there are some folks who are against BC for religious reasons. You wouldn’t tell your Jewish friends they have to serve ham, would you? Then why force Catholic institutions to supply BC? 2) women deserve equal pay for equal work and this applies to the current administration as well (I am agreeing with you but pointing out that the current administration is not living up to this either) 3) I got nothin. 4) same 5) it’s not the mothers that are to blame, it is the missing fathers. It’s a fact that there are many more kids in single parent homes in the higher crime areas.

          • http://www.facebook.com/heather.kalisiak Heather Kalisiak

            Not all employees of Catholic institutions are Catholic, so why should a Lutheran or Baptist or agnostic have to follow the tenets of the Roman Catholic Church by being denied birth control? As you say, you wouldn’t tell your Jewish friends they have to serve ham – and you wouldn’t expect them to say you can’t eat it either.

          • Me

            No one is saying that non catholics can’t have BC. They just won’t pay for it. Ham is NOT served at the synagogue. If you want ham you have to get it somewhere else.

          • Paula

            Ham is not a prescription medication. Birth control is.

            If you are a Catholic CHURCH, no one is saying you have to provide insurance that pays for birth control. (i.e. Ham’s NOT being served at the synagogue, after all.) If you are a Catholic HOSPITAL or UNIVERSITY that employs lots of people who are not Catholic, your insurance does have to cover birth control, just like any other prescription. Church =/= any business ever. Just as your employer does not get to make medical decisions for you, no matter how strongly they feel antibiotics are the work of the devil, neither does a university or any other employer get to make those choices for their employees, affiliated with Catholicism though they may be.

            Let’s also make it clear that the Catholic Church was never being asked to pay for birth control. They were being asked to provide policies for employees that included birth control coverage, which would be paid for by the insurance company. Premiums for employers do not go up because you got a prescription, so this would not be a (directly) out of pocket expense for the Catholic employer.

          • Afliesaway

            If Catholic organizations are able to avoid paying for birth control, there will be a rash of companies claiming to be Christian Scientists and thus not required to pay for surgery, medicine and vaccinations!

          • http://www.facebook.com/erika.olson.779 Erika Olson

            I think when a religious organization sees fit to start preaching politics, then they lay themselves open for taxation. There is supposed to be separation of church and state, on BOTH ends.

          • http://www.facebook.com/exmmedia Brian Montgomery

            so seperate it already, the government is trying to force us to pay for peoples sexapades. I’m curious what they cant afford to buy condoms or BC. It exists and its availible to everyone and its fairly cheap?

            So WTF?

          • free1thinker

            @facebook-100000712519322:disqus – Please take the time to educate yourself on this issue. Birth control pills for women are not just about sex, as you wrote above. Birth control pills regulate hormones and can relieve symptoms of medical conditions such as dysmenorrhea, endometriosis, and migraines. Further they serve as preventative measures against endometrial and ovarian cancer. They can cost anywhere from $30-$50/month which is not cheap for someone making minimum wage, someone having trouble putting food on the table etc. Insurance companies cover prescriptions used for medical purposes and birth control should be no different.

          • Will Dissolver

            Errr, or $5 a month at Walmart. Not sure where you get the $30-50 figure, but you can get birth control pills, in all varieties, at Walmart for $5 a month, or $10 for 90 days. So I’m not actually sure this holds water.

            Also, I have to point out that despite the fact that I agree with most of this article, I also think that a religion-based business has a right to choose what health insurance they will offer, and what it will cover.

            Because no-one is forced to work there.

            That’s the crucial difference, you see? No-one forces anyone to work for a business that doesn’t provide benefits that are acceptable to them. If a religion-based business decides not to offer coverage for birth control, then any woman, or man with a covered female spouse or relative, has an absolute right to tell them to go piss up a rope and go work somewhere else.

            But that’s not the same thing as requiring them, by law, to violate their religious beliefs.

            And to the individuals using the slippery-slope argument about other religions and procedures, the same answer applies. So what if they do? Quit, and go work somewhere else. Why would you want to work for a company that refuses to cover any medical procedures whatsoever anyway?

            Your argument is analogous to telling the cable company that they are required to provide DirecTV service to their customers, rather than simply switching to DirecTV yourself.

          • free1thinker

            All the varieties are not $5 at Walmart and different types are prescribed based on particular ailments. Further, not everyone has access to a Wal-mart. Nice try with the analogy, except cable isn’t a drug prescribed by a doctor for medical purposes.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/NUGA5G5YOVTCY2BV55GDBOG7LQ oakspoor

            That’s $5 or $10 a month as a COPAY with your own prescription insurance. $30-$50 per month is pretty accurate.

            Perhaps those employers who want to claim a religious exemption should be exempt from any form of gov’t input; including medicare payments to hospitals or student aid to universities.

          • http://twitter.com/kinderone1 Karl Ericson

            That is ridiculous to suggest that in this job market anyone could just tell their employer to piss up a rope. Some of us feel very, very lucky to have a job, any job, but especially one that has some sort of health coverage

          • Vondeuce

            And that’s the problem. The only reason anyone gets anything is because the employer is legally obliged to pay SOMETHING… It’s a buyers market in terms of workforce at the moment and since the population is still going up, in general terms it’s not going away. Expect the continuing erosion of your personal rights by your corporate masters, unless you do something about it.

          • Katherine Walton

            Okay, go ahead and cave through fear. I won’t join you.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

            I feel very unlucky to be in a country where it is up to your boss whether your health is taken care of. That isn’t how it works in any other developed country, you know.

          • OffThePig

            So, when you say Walmart, you mean the taxpayer, right? Walmart employees are many states’ top recipients of Medicaid. 80% of Walmart employees are on food stamps. Walmart employees receive $2.66 BILLION per year, averaging $420,000 per store. As a non-Walmart shopper, I am FORCED to subsidize it, because my husband and I pay over $35,000 in taxes every year. We are not wealthy, we live in New York City, and are barely getting by. I am FORCED to subsidize a business I do not patronize.
            In other words, you are under-educated, ‘Will Desolver’, and sadly representative of the majority of religio-fascists who would control others, at others’ expense.

          • Lark

            That would be because your insurance pays the bulk of the cost. Which is exactly what employees of Catholic institutions want their insurance to do.

          • http://www.facebook.com/kikibean Nikki London

            first it depends on your insurance… my insurance has a “tier” program. there are 3 levels and depending on the level depends on how expensive each script is. if there isn’t a generic of the form of BC your totally fucked… see above ^

          • martina

            “Errr, or $5 a month at Walmart [...] you can get birth control pills, in all varieties, at
            Walmart for $5 a month, or $10 for 90 days. So I’m not actually sure
            this holds water.”

            WITH INSURANCE. without insurance it’s $30-50/mo

          • A Little Voice From The Middle

            My friend told me he is able to get a 90- day supply of his medication without using his insurance for 10 dollars. I am assuming this is true to almost all generic meds. Oh this was before Obamacare.

          • free1thinker

            Oh? And your friend takes BC meds does he? Someone already pointed out that BC meds (pills or patch) can cost as much as $100 a month w/out insurance and that all BC meds are not created equal – there are different doses, different formulations, different delivery methods. and different costs. Hearing about what your male friend pays for meds that obviously aren’t BC meds is irrelevant.

          • Katherine Walton

            You know what they say about “assume”, right? It makes an “ass” of you and “me”. Every insurance provider has their own definition of “generic”. And I’m here to tell you that most birth control medication is not “generic”.

          • http://twitter.com/kimmilynn Kimmilynn

            1. Define religious backed companies. Are you talking about Christian Bookstores or Joe Schmoe’s Small Local Business and I’m a Catholic? There’s a substantial difference.

            2. You’re speaking about (1) common form of generic birth control pills. Birth control itself comes in many forms and the type that works best with you is a very individual process. There are multiple pills that range in hormone levels, as well as other non oral forms. Personally, I am sensitive to oral medication and therefore have to take an alternative form of BC. The form which most effectively minimizes my PMS symptoms, normalizes my cycle, and quite frankly reduces my flow costs $30.00/month after insurance. If you don’t believe me when I say that different forms affect women differently, I invite you to meet me pre-pill and about 60 days during pill. I’ll make you a believer!

            Perhaps, before you pass judgement on womens health, you learn empathy and communicate with many types of women who all have individual needs medically. Or grow a uterus, either way.

          • Kimc

            I take it you haven’t noticed that there is a depression going on out there. You take what job you can when very little is available. That’s very much like being forced to take a job you don’t like. I realize that there are people who set us up to be in this depression on purpose because they wanted this, but you don’t have to help them. It’s mean.

          • carrie

            It is one thing to say quit….it is another to find a job elsewhere and be able to feed your family. Furthermore, if large numbers of employers did this…where would you work? In the 60′s employers could treat African Americans poorly for religious and personal reasons. It was accepted and wouldn’t have changed unless the government stepped in. Same here.

          • gimme a break

            this sounds like the same style of argument that business owners used to support jim crow laws. Go have dinner somewhere else! no one’s forcing you to eat here!

          • Gina

            Of course – there’s no “separation of church and business” as there is separation of church and state but I’d say its inappropriate for businesses to be forcing religious values on their employees. Church should stay at church.

            Zero sympathy for the Catholic-based hospitals on this one. Speaking as an ex-Catholic. The law SHOULD force them to provide the same level of insurance coverage as any other hospital would. Otherwise they are discriminating against women.

            P.S. – Married women use bc too. And so what if it’s for birth control or other health issues? Birth control is a legitimate concern of married and single women.

          • http://www.facebook.com/kikibean Nikki London

            actually i was put on BC because of 2 reasons First, very sever migraines. Second I have very bad PAINFUL ovarian cysts. BC helps keep both of these in check. and even with my insurance at work it was still 100$ out of pocket due to my need to be on the lowest dose there is out there as many BCs will actually make headaches worse. 100$ for one script! luckly my OBGYN supplies me with samples so i don’t have to worry too much. but it is not cheap in any sense of the word!

          • janie

            BC pills prescribed to regulate hormones ARE covered by Catholic insurance policies. You all talk too much without knowing anything. gets old.

          • free1thinker

            If that was true there would be no need for Sandra Fluke to testify to Congress as the contraceptives she needed to control her ovarian cyst would have been covered by the insurance policy of the Catholic institution she attended.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.caroselli Tony Caroselli

            It wasn’t. She testified to that. I’m starting to get the impression most of the people talking about Sandra Fluke actually never watched or read her testimony. Can this be true?

          • Katherine Walton

            Which she *paid* for.

          • PAS

            That actually depends on the program. I have personally worked with the programs of several Catholic Archdiocese which will cover BC for noncontraceptive use if the plan is clearly informed of this use. I have also worked with several prescription programs, ironically more often run by small employers, unions and religious orgs which flat out refuse to cover them ever. No exceptions.

            It depends on the program, whether it is fully insured (run by the insurance company), or self insured (run by the employer). As things currently stand, self-insured plans basically get to make up whatever rules they want.

          • Beth

            Actually that’s not always the case – I work for a pharmacy and handle claims and sadly I get to explain to people why the medication they’re suppose to take for their menopause symptoms aren’t covered. And regardless, if a medication is covered – it should be covered, the employer shouldn’t have a say in WHY you need medication. That’s between you, the pharmacist and your doctor.

          • Katherine Walton

            Are they? Really? Perhaps you should educate *your*self.

          • Millertime1

            This shows that the “war on women” garbage actually works for people who are ignorant. NO ONE has said that birth control to cover medical conditions aren’t covered, THEY ALREADY ARE!!!!. Please educate yourself. We shouldn’t have to pay for birth control that isn’t tied a medical condition, which is what the Sandra Fluke crowd wants. Perfect example of ignorance.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.caroselli Tony Caroselli

            Actually, Sandra Fluke said IN HER TESTIMONY birth control to cover medical conditions isn’t covered. That was actually her testimony. That’s what she said. That. “Perfect example of ignorance,” indeed.

          • Millertime1

            Don’t know what insurance she has, but they are covered and no one is suggesting that meds needed for medical reasons shouldn’t be covered. No one wants to pay for my condoms and I don’t want to pay for someone else’s birth control.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.caroselli Tony Caroselli

            Georgetown University student insurance. Sandra Fluke is a student of Catholic Church-run Georgetown University, as is her friend who has polycystic ovarian syndrome and needs birth control pills to treat the symptoms, but who was denied because the university’s insurance plan believed she was requesting the medication for contraception and not to treat her potentially deadly PCOS. My God. It’s almost as if… almost as if you’re telling us what the “Sandra Fluke crowd” wants without ever once having actually read or listened to her actual testimony. How can this be?

          • Millertime1

            She chose to go there, there are plenty of other options for health insurance instead of making Catholics go against their beliefs (whether you believe as they do or not). She can afford to go to Wal Mart and get her own or get other insurance. its called PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.caroselli Tony Caroselli

            She’s. A. Student. You. Nitwit.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.caroselli Tony Caroselli

            You do understand students at universities are, by definition, not earning wages as students? They’re actually PAYING -in many cases, quite a lot – to be where they are. Again, the university’s insurance SAYS it will pay for birth control if it’s for medical reasons – AS! SHE! TESTIFIED! – but it turns out saying you’ll do it and actually doing it are two different things. Choosing your law school based on whether you might or might not develop a health problem is genuinely one of the most insane things I’ve ever heard someone say – and I’ve talked to meth heads in Los Angeles. By the way, I’m a Catholic. It’s called (please read this in the “retard voice” we used when we were kids and had to repeat the same thing over and over to someone who couldn’t grasp the obvious):

            WHY DON’T YOU READ HER DAMN TESTIMONY?!

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.caroselli Tony Caroselli
          • Katherine Walton

            SHE PAYS FOR HER HEALTH INSURANCE AS PART OF HER TUITION!!!!! Got that? Yet???

          • Millertime1

            If for a true medical necessity, it should be covered as I stated before. I don’t know any conservatives that feel otherwise and to characterize it as a war on women is just completely dishonest. I am not here to argue what the university’s plan believed or didn’t believe as that is a key piece to your argument. However, the government telling institutions, particularly religious institutions what to do is just wrong, nuff said. The “Sandra Fluke crowd” completely misrepresents the issue and spins it into conservatives hate women,which is a complete lie that most ignorant liberals believe.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.caroselli Tony Caroselli

            Would you for the love of God please read Sandra Fluke’s actual testimony and quit blathering about what you think most conservatives would say? And “Sandra Fluke crowd” was in quotes because it’s what YOU! SAID! You said what the “Sandra Fluke crowd” said. Your exact quote was:

            “We shouldn’t have to pay for birth control that isn’t tied a medical condition, which is what the Sandra Fluke crowd wants.”

            READ.
            HER.
            DAMN.
            TESTIMONY.

          • Millertime1

            Her testimony and desires about covering medically necessary birth control and the liberal talking points painting conservatives as women haters are two different things, which is my point (perhaps made poorly). Regardless of her testimony, the libs goal (Sandra Fluke crowd included) DO want all insurance to cover all birth control regardless of medical necessity and they want to control religious organizations, and I am sure that is where we are heading full steam ahead. My points have been made. Covered if medical necessity, however government shouldn’t tell religious institutions what to cover, not sure how else to explain it to you. I think we agree on the first part, but not on the second. It would help if you weren’t such a prick! So Fa Q!

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.caroselli Tony Caroselli

            It would also help if at any point ever you had read or listened to her actual testimony and not made shit up (or parroted the shit someone else like Bill O’Reilly made up). Neither Fluke nor “the libs” want to cover “all birth control.” They don’t want to cover IUDs. They don’t want to cover condoms. They don’t want to cover diaphragms. Nor do they want to “control religious organizations.” Nobody is telling the Catholic Church it has to start being like, “Yay, abortion and The Gays and death penalty! Rah rah!” And Fluke’s testimony (which those of us who read it know) is if you cover birth control for one thing, you’re pretty much a priori covering it for everything, so just go ahead and cover it for everything. Also, religious institutions AREN’T told what to cover. Institutions OWNED BY religious institutions are told what to cover. In any event, I’m only a prick about the third or fourth time somebody has made very clear what an idiot he or she is. You insist on being an idiot. So there you go.

          • Millertime1

            lol, you really are a sucker. You don’t know who I am or who I listen to. You actually believe that this current liberal movement won’t turn into paying for birth control for everyone? They got you right where they want you. You will buy that slow government creep every time, hook, line and sinker, perfect for them. If they are “going to cover it for everything” as you say, why wouldn’t they cover other types of BC? They won’t end up covering abortions eventually either, right? They won’t cover condoms because they already give them away! Please tell me more, oh brilliant one…

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.caroselli Tony Caroselli

            Madonn’, would you please read Sandra Fluke’s testimony just please read it seriously read it you don’t know what you’re talking about just read it read it it’s online read it for the love of everything ever held holy by anyone just read it please no kidding just read it just one time just read it its not even that long our conversation is much longer no kidding read it.

            Incidentally, what Sandra Fluke DOESN’T say is what I would. What I would say is math. If the Jesuits who run Georgetown University paid for her health insurance (which, by the way, they don’t no kidding stop babbling and read her testimony I’m not kidding please read it), that would be one thing. They don’t. She testified to that. Her fellow students pay for her health insurance, and NINETY-FOUR PERCENT want to pay for a woman’s birth control. Why? Same reason I – a Catholic and a health insurance customer – would rather pay for birth control than not.

            Tell you what. Why don’t you whip out your calculator and run some numbers on the cost of birth control vs. the cost of a pregnant woman PLUS the cost of insuring a child through the age of 26 and get back to me?

          • Millertime1

            Dude, I have read the script and seen the video coverage multiple times, chill please. Nothing in it changes how I feel about it. So what you are saying is if we all don’t pay for their birth control through increased premiums or taxes(when not medically necessary), all the women will just act irresponsibly (along with the men that participate) get pregnant with no consequences for their actions and then we have to pay for their babies? Well ain’t life grand? Maybe I have more faith in people that they will make better decisions and be responsible for their actions and requiring them to be is a good start. If you don’t expect people to be responsible for their actions, they won’t be, that is the whole problem now. Lets just feed everyone too, because it is expensive to buy food, especially in college. You know what, they shouldn’t pay rent either, can’t afford it. Oh and the tuition? don’t worry about it. It’s coming!! The issue I have is the government creep telling any private entity what they should cover, it is their choice! They will face the consequences for the quality of student or employee they are able to attract. As a business owner, I know that I want to attract and retain the best talent and have to be competitive with my benefits package, but it is our choice (at least until 2014). Slippery slope. Don’t even get me started on the real issue, the cost of healthcare and how the ACA does nothing but make it worse. Agree to disagree.

          • Katherine Walton

            *sigh* Saying this again: She pays for her health insurance, *not* the Catholic church, despite the fact it’s a Catholic institution. Part of her tuition is her health insurance, moron.

          • Katherine Walton

            And why shouldn’t she want the health insurance *she pays for* to cover what she wants it to cover???

          • Katherine Walton

            SHE PAYS FOR HER HEALTH INSURANCE, MORON.

          • GoSmitty

            I would gladly pay for your condoms, if only to thin the pool of ignorance-laden genetics.

          • Millertime1

            Too late jack arse. Oh yea, I pay for my wife’s birth control too.

          • Katherine Walton

            Condoms AREN’T PRESCRIPTION MEDS, moron. And, just sayin’, I am a proponent of BC pills being NON-PRESCRIPTION. But, hell, that would be against the patriarchal mindset of this god damn country, wouldn’t it? That said? I’d *gladly* pay for your condoms. Or your vasectomy. Anything to keep you from breeding.

          • Millertime1

            Boy, I bet you are a nice person. Please tell me more.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.caroselli Tony Caroselli

            By the way, there’s a big difference between SAYING you cover something and actually covering it.

          • Millertime1
          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.caroselli Tony Caroselli

            Does that site you linked have the definition of “irony” in it?

          • free1thinker

            Actually Sandra Fluke wanted BC meds as they would help control her ovarian cyst – a medical condition – but the Catholic institution she attended had insurance that wouldn’t cover the meds for any reason due to religious opposition. (Shows how much you were paying attention). Fluke couldn’t afford the medication as a student. She ended up going without and having to have surgery to remove her entire ovary. Surely coverage of the meds would have been less expensive than surgery costs, not to mention the loss of an important part of her female anatomy at a young age, but ultimately it’s no one’s business *why* meds are prescribed by a doctor. Either the meds are covered or they aren’t. Since there are medical reasons for them to be used; they should be covered. End of story.

          • Katherine Walton

            Bullshit. Sandra Fluke *pays* for her health insurance. So do I. Thus, we should have a say in what is covered. So, just sayin’, *you* are a perfect example of ignorance.

          • Millertime1

            I just love when a militant lib chimes in with a dumb comment. Can you give me any more than the exact same irrelevant response to all my comments? Just because you pay for your health insurance doesn’t mean you get to pick what is covered. Gosh, wouldn’t that be nice? I think I might want it to cover plastic surgery for you. When coverage is given for things like birth control that isn’t medically necessary, all people who pay premiums, pay for it. It isn’t a hard concept to understand, except maybe for you. Whether she pays for coverage or not isn’t even what the debate is about. The question whether the government should be intruding and mandating what a Catholic institution or any private business should cover. They shouldn’t, but now they are, welcome to the new America! I think you will be happy.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

            IF it were up to the insurance companies, they would charge more for a policy that excludes birth control than one that does, since unplanned pregnancies are so expensive to cover. Obama’s regulations require that the price be the same, whether birth control is in or out, and that the employee can freely switch between one and the other. That way the Catholics aren’t “paying” for anything, but they do not have the right to forbid their employees from making a bargain with the insurance company which both parties are happy to make.

          • StateofReason

            Sexcapades? Is that what you call it when my wife and I decide that we’re not ready to have a child yet so we use birth control? Why shouldn’t our insurance company pay for that Dr prescribed medication regardless of the religious affiliation of my employer?

          • Phaedre

            Many people *require* birth control for countless health reasons, and without it would be in debilitating pain &/or serious health problems. Do you think it’s wrong that the insurance you pay for paying for adulterer’s Viagra? You are not being asked to pay for anyone’s medication – people just want the right to get medication with the health insurance they pay for out of their hard-earned paychecks.

          • Whedon Activist

            they provide salary to their employees who would then go buy condoms so by that definition would be paying for their “sexcapades”

          • Eric Root

            WTF is that your religious excuses for trying to hash up other peoples’ insurance coverage is your trying to control parts of their lives that are none of your business. A boss is only a boss of how good the employee does the job.

          • Jack

            They didn’t start preaching politics. As usual, the politics barged in on them!

          • http://twitter.com/MrsSheaWong shea wong

            This, exactly. If Catholic hospitals get to decide what medication I get to take, there is *nothing* to stop a Jehovah’s Witness employer from not allowing blood transfusions to be covered for their employees, as it is against their religion.

          • thinker

            And what is the problem here? Let the Jehovah’s witness employer provide insurance that does not cover blood transfusions. See how many people will choose to work at that employer. You don’t believe in free choice and free association, which is a problem. If you want to advocate for something useful then advocate for the government to get out of tax code manipulations that tie health insurance to employment, say nothing about the numerous interventions that drive up the cost of healthcare in the US to spectacular levels.

          • http://twitter.com/MrsSheaWong shea wong

            Because in a recession, current employees want to choose between lifesaving medical procedures and employment, and future employees want to choose between a job and living. With that mindset, it’s a wonder the right lost a few weeks ago…

          • thinker

            Firstly birth control is nearly never a “life-saving” medical procedure. Do not attempt to paint it as such since that is dishonest. Secondly, why in the world do you think that you have the right to use force against an employer to satisfy your every demand? Have you paid attention to the number of places closing up shop and dropping employees since last week? What happens if we rephrase your purposefully obtuse statement to “employees can choose between being employed and having most things covered by their health insurance, or can choose to have the greatest health insurance coverage ever devise offered, but to no longer be employed”. Its not so funny then is it? Thirdly I hope that you realize that we are in a recession due to our fraudulent fiscal/monetary system, and its inevitable collision with reality. The Democrats and Republicans are equally guilty in ruining it, and the current Democratic administration is doing everything the previous Republican administration did.

            To put things succinctly the math is catching up for us, and crying to have birth control covered by “insurance”, despite the fact that it is most obviously not an item that would ever be “insurable” in the common sense, will only hasten that catching up of the math.

          • http://www.facebook.com/alice.diamond.10 Alice Diamond

            The employer does not pay for my bc. I earned it through my labor. Health insurance is part of my compensation for the work that I do. I am paying for it through my work. Look at any statement of the vlaue of your work benefits and you will see the cost of health insurance included.

          • thinker

            Nobody is arguing that health insurance is part of your compensation package. BUT if you choose to work for an employer that does not want birth control to fall under the insurance coverage offered for ANY reason, you have every right to demand that they offer it or you will leave, you have NO right to demand that the government come in and use its monopoly on force to hold a gun to your employer’s head and force them to offer birth control via healthcare. THAT is the only point I have tried to make. If your employer offers crappy compensation then you should leave. That is what a well-adjusted human being does. Only a psychopath goes to the guy with all of the guns and has him hold a gun to your employer’s head to adjust your compensation.

            As a male I would be happy to opt in to an insurance class that did not cover birth control, or pre/post natal care, because none of those issues affect me. There is literally no difference than me only purchasing car insurance, but not boat insurance, because I do not own a boat.

            You really need to sit and think about the differences between “healthcare” generally and “health insurance”. You also need to sit and think about whether or not it is appropriate to arbitrarily decide that you do not like an agreement you entered into, and instead of exiting the agreement you attempt to coerce further terms from the opposing party. That is what most people here seem to be advocating for. And it is not just.

          • whirlwind

            None of those issues affect you? They affected your mother. And if you’ve ever had sex with a woman that you didn’t intend to result in a pregnancy, then birth control affected you. Of course those issues affect you – you just want to shift the burden to someone else.

            In reality, no-copay birth control is an excellent form of efficiency for both insurers and the government, as it’s the most effective way to prevent unplanned pregnancy. It’s a spend-a-penny, save-a-dollar measure that is proven to lead to fewer abortions and fewer children ending up on welfare rolls, not to mention the savings to employers due to not having to pay for maternity coverage for people who didn’t want to have a baby in the first place. Baulking over its ‘appropriateness’ is just plain silly.

          • thinker

            No whirlwind they do not affect me. If I am caring for my mother then they may affect me, and I would choose an appropriate insurance pool to join. Do you know anyone that owns a boat? Or know anyone that knows anyone that owns a boat? Then we should all pay for boat insurance alongside our car insurance. I think that the government should go to every single car insurance provider and tell them that all premiums must be raised to cover the cost of a boat, whether the individual paying the premium owns one or not. Do you see how ridiculous that is? That is EXACTLY what you are advocating for. If someone peripheral in my life owns a boat, they can pay for it. I can pay for prostate exams. Why should a single woman pay into an insurance pool that covers those?

            In reality it is YOUR OPINION that no copay birth control is efficient. If lots of people agree with you then lots of insurance plans will adopt that as a central tenet of the policy. If not, then you and your opinion are in the minority and few plans will offer that. NOBODY is preventing you from going out and buying your own birth control. NOBODY is infringing upon your lifestyle and your own choices with your own body. Only YOU are attempting to infringe upon others by using force to limit their options for health insurance choices.

            Your pseudo-scientific attempt to justify your central planning nonsense is the same garbage that was espoused by most evil people throughout history. I can play your same ridiculous public policy game, and watch how now you don’t find it as funny. “In order to attain your goal of fewer children ending up on welfare, all individuals receiving any sort of assistance from the state or federal government; rent, energy, food, etc. must be sterilized as a matter of course before receiving said assistance. BOOM! I just fixed your “too many children on the welfare rolls” problem, I just took a central planning approach that I doubt you agree with. The difference between my solution and yours is that mine is *significantly* more efficient.

          • http://www.facebook.com/nancy.visser.barrett Nancy Visser Barrett

            There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to change the terms of the “agreement” you enter into with your employer over your health insurance coverage. Companies routinely change the agreement themselves, without asking employees if they approve of the changes. Can’t tell you how many times over the years we’ve received notices saying they will no longer cover certain procedures, or “surprise – we won’t offer a PPO plan next year, so you have to take the HMO or opt out.” Employers already have way too much say over our insurance options and costs, but they simply cross the line when they decide to dictate our family planning decisions. And in this economic climate, most people just don’t have the option of saying “up yours” to your employer and finding comparable employment.

          • thinker

            I agree with you. I encourage everyone to routinely attempt to argue their case for increased compensation. Where I draw the line is when you are unable to argue your case, so instead of taking the more difficult but appropriate step of finding a new employer that will value your skills at a higher level, you instead go to the government and hold a big metaphorical gun to your current employers head and coerce them to cover your additional compensation. When the government is involved you no longer have two consenting parties coming to a mutually advantageous agreement. You have one party with a gun and the other party with no choice. That is not going to ever be economically efficient, and is certainly morally reprehensible. Although you will personally and selfishly be better off, at least for a time.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1022916964 Robert Barker

            I agree with you. Unfortunately there is no longer a valuation on a long-term employee, especially as one approaches a certain age (59). The knowledge contained in that person is SO under-valued. We are at the top of our earning level for how the company values the position we hold. The rules change frequently for evaluation purposes. Most targeting the longest-term employees.
            Good luck to those corporations replacing the wealth of knowledge contained in your longest serving staff.

          • thinker

            Given enough time most of those corporations with short sighted goals will suffer. It is not good for the company, for long term shareholders, or for the employees. But some lessons are only learned the hard way.

          • Counter Thinker

            You provide a very good argument, but it excludes one key point. Let me use your analogy against you. Yes, you are correct in saying that as an owner exclusively of cars and not of boats, you would would be fine with working for an employer that provides only car insurance. However, in a country where ~51% of the population is born a car AND boat owner, i.e. they have no choice in owning said boat, this situation is intrinsically not “free” or equal.

            In an ideal world, yes, if women do not like the health policies offered by their current employers, they can quit and go find an employer who will offer their desired coverage. Unfortunately, in our money-driven business model (I am not arguing that this is wrong by any means), companies always offer the least coverage necessary in order to gain a financial edge on their competitors. Women are stuck with the choice of either keeping their jobs with inadequate coverage or competing for the very few jobs, if any at all, that exist with their desired coverage.

            In the most extreme case of your argument–where government intervention is eliminated and companies are no longer required to provide health coverage at all–companies overall would trend towards not providing coverage if they don’t have to. That leaves all employees on average with poorer health coverage. You can still argue that it is in every companies’ right to do this, but the overall prosperity of the US would suffer.

            This idea extends to all aspects of Democratic policy. Whether you believe it or not, this country is intrinsically unequal in terms of opportunities for women and urban minorities. This necessitates government intervention to provide the equality promised in our constitution.

          • thinker

            So do you find it somehow morally reprehensible that males are charged a higher car insurance rate than females? Is that evidence of some grand conspiracy to keep males from driving cars? Or is it due to them being an actuarialy more risky demographic? I have no choice in my gender and am paying a higher car insurance premium for it. Why would women accept this as “fair” yet throw their arms up in fits of frustration when males do not want to pay extra for birth control and pre/post natal care? Can’t have it both ways.

            Government intervention is the problem both within the health insurance market as well as the healthcare market. If we got rid of the absurd tax incentives that tie health insurance to employment this entire line of argumentation would be moot. They would have to simultaneously actually prevent the state grants of monopoly to certain providers – a perfectly legitimate exercise of the interstate commerce clause. Everyone would approach a private provider to purchase health insurance, just as they currently do for every-single-other type of insurance that exists. This would simultaneously drive prices down as competition amongst providers forced them to slash rates, and would allow each individual or family unit to choose what type of coverage was better for them. I am absolutely at a loss how you think that this would be a bad thing and a net negative for the economy.

            To address your last paragraph I have never ever witness a woman or a minority be overtly discriminated against ever in my life. I have seen white males be routinely discriminated against by a system that permits legalized discrimination in the form of affirmative action and its derivative programs. But, if the discrimination against women and minorities truly does exist as you say, the best way to end it is to remove as many artificial restrictions and grants of monopoly as can be. When everyone has to compete on the same playing field, with no artificial state-sponsored advantages, only the best will survive. Any racist/sexist employer who was so stupid as to not hire more competitive employees due to gender or skin color would rapidly go out of business. See professional sports for how this works out.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ae-Wehr/1322844727 Ae Wehr

            How can you complain about unilateral corporate discrimination on car insurance rates in one paragraph, then turn around and say “government intervention” is the problem in the next?

            Men’s groups sued the auto insurance industry on discrimination grounds and the hyper-partisan, corrupt judges said they would not interfere in “the free market” (e.g. – they refuse to enforce the LAW when there isn’t enough political power in the minority group’s superpacs to harm their party)

            Before government intervention, mercury and liquor were sold as over the counter children’s medication, and “bad batches” of food infested with pathogens were commonplace.”

            ” But, if the discrimination against women and minorities truly does
            exist as you say, the best way to end it is to remove as many artificial
            restrictions and grants of monopoly as can be.”

            Please read up on US history, particularly 1850 to 1920, where “the free market” went unchecked and “only the ‘best’ survived”. We ended up with vertical and horizontal monopolies in nearly every sector, and the average person’s standard of living resembled the most undeveloped portions of Somalia. Anyone who got “uppity” and dared to seek better wages was blackballed or shot, and anyone who dared to call in sick was fired. The elderly were allowed to die.

          • thinker

            Sadly it is you that need to read up on your history. All of the “robber barons” existed due to government granted monopolies. AND, probably more importantly, wages and standard of living skyrocketed during this era. Drop the union talking points and spend some time researching issues on your own. You may learn something new.

            And my point is that it is NOT discrimination. Insurance premiums are calculated on an actuarial basis due to the inherent risk of the insured requiring a payout. If males are more likely to crash cars then so-be-it, they will pay higher premiums. How is that anything remotely resembling discrimination?

            Your mercury example is a strawman, nobody knew mercury was hazardous then. That would be like faulting the Romans for using lead pipes, or me faulting you now for using plastic cups to drink from. People don’t realize it now, but plastic will become the lead/mercury of the 20/21st century. You don’t need a government to protect you, you need knowledge. And I would like to see a single reference that “bad batches” of food were “common place”. Cite one reference. People would not have survived if their food was as awful as you are insinuating.

          • stop

            You do not understand the nature of competition. Really, in order to gain an edge on his competitors an employer will provide his employees less desirable benefits? How does that work? In a system of voluntary exchange where individuals are free to choose where they will sell their labor, businesses/employers have every incentive to offer their employees the benefits they desire. The best benefits, actually. You seem to think it has the opposite effect… like if someone applying for a job found out he was up against another highly qualified applicant, it would make him try to sell himself less effectively and not more effectively. It makes no sense.

            Remember that business, in a free market economy, has zero coercive power over the individual; it is only when government proposes to regulate and subsidize business that they do gain such a destructive influence. After all, they are only acting in their self interest given the circumstances… and it is unfortunate that our system incentivizes such behavior.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ae-Wehr/1322844727 Ae Wehr

            “You do not understand the nature of competition. Really, in order to
            gain an edge on his competitors an employer will provide his employees
            less desirable benefits?”

            Do you understand the nature of competition?

            In any given market, those who control the most scarce resource in an exchange are the ones with the leverage. There are very few economic conditions in which labor is more scarce than employment. Ergo, it is not employers competing for employees, it’s employees competing for jobs.

            We’ve seen the result when government does not step up to protect general labor standards in the forms of minimum wage, anti-discrimination laws, protection of the right to organize, etc: It was the gilded age, where humans were treated as serfs, were fired if they dared even get sick for one day, and parents were often forced to send their kids to work due to horrible wages.

            Scrooge was not some hyperbolic character, he was actually merciful compared to his real-life contemporaries of that time period.

          • thinker

            Once again this is just not true. American wages and standard of living skyrocketed during the Gilded age. AND, more importantly, the robber barons only existed due to government grants of monopoly.

            You ought to spend some time reading and learning even basic economics. Minimum wage has caused a loss of jobs to the least skilled. Anti-discrimination laws have clearly accomplished nothing since a large number of people on this thread are complaining about rampant sex discrimination (despite providing no proof of it existing). Nobody argues against the right to organize, but currently unions are granted an entitled negotiating position that is backed up by government force – this is the position that many hold to be reprehensible.

            Finally if you think that good labor is not a scarce resource then you have very obviously never run a business. Perhaps you should try this before commenting.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ae-Wehr/1322844727 Ae Wehr

            “You ought to spend some time reading and learning even basic economics.”

            You’re telling this to someone who holds a degree in the discipline from one of the highest ranking institutions in the world. Perhaps you should listen to what i’m saying? If you cite the von mises institute or any of its affiliates you immediately discredit yourself.

            “Once again this is just not true. American wages and standard of living skyrocketed during the Gilded age.”

            Citation please.

            People lived in hovels, disease was rampant, basic food procurement was a crap shoot, and most medications were more hazardous than the diseases they claimed to cure. Children worked on assembly lines. The work houses of dickens were typical of the age.

            “Nobody argues against the right to organize, but currently unions are
            granted an entitled negotiating position that is backed up by government
            force – this is the position that many hold to be reprehensible.”

            As opposed to incorporation, which gives capital equivalent right to organize, and also backs it up with government force. To not back both is hypocrisy.

            “Finally if you think that good labor is not a scarce resource then you have very obviously never run a business.”

            Again, from a family full of business owners, myself working in a highly skilled industry. The general consensus is “replace them like tires”, and most companies make that work rather than actually pay what people are worth.

          • Katherine Walton

            Oh bullshit :) . I’m laughing to hard to reply.

          • Counter Thinker

            Your scenario only makes sense if the supply for jobs is greater than or approximately equal to the demand for jobs. In our current economy, the demand for jobs greatly outnumbers jobs available and therefore employers have no incentive to offer the best benefits. The competition is not supply-side, it’s demand-side. Or if you want to think of it this way, there is always someone willing to do your job for less as a result of the scarcity of jobs available. Think for a second about why outsourcing happens–it’s not because employers are offering the best benefits to people overseas, that’s for sure–and there is your ideal “free market” in action. Your ideas may apply to jobs requiring skilled labor, but in a country where the majority of jobs are unskilled, the lack of government regulation would absolutely allow a trend towards exploitation and overall impoverishment.

          • thinker

            Then fix the government interventions that are creating this problem. Stop paying people to not work and end the minimum hourly wage. Employment will reach its maximal level very quickly. You can’t intervene to break a system, and then complain about the effects of that intervention.

          • Afliesaway

            Then I’d like my insurance to stop paying for prostate screening or treatment for prostate cancers, since they don’t affect me. Oh, wait, maybe that’s preposterous. I can’t even exclude sports channels on cable…

          • thinker

            Why is that preposterous? Give me a single reason. If competition amongst insurance providers were opened up you would be able to purchase a plan that covered exactly that. You’d likely change the plan if you got married / had a son, but until then it makes no sense for you to pay into a pool to cover prostate problems if you don’t have a prostate.

            Your cable analogy follows the same exact reasoning. Kill the rights of way that were granted to the cable monopolies, force them to be sold off since they were unjustly attained in the first place, and allow competition amongst cable providers. You would likely rapidly be able to purchase a cable plan to your liking.

            Imagine if the government were involved in the shoe sales business. Because, we all need shoes, and who would possibly provide shoe sales if not for the government? We would probably have 3 styles of shoes that came in small, medium, and large sizes. Instead look at the tens of thousands of possible shoes you can buy, because a variety of private actors are competing with each other in an attempt to win your business.

          • Thyme Pomagranite

            it does not surprise me that you never get laid.
            but if you do, be ready for the paternity suit.

          • thinker

            Non sequitur that contributed absolutely nothing, other than illustrating that you haven’t understood a single thing I have written. Bravo.

          • Katherine Walton

            And you need to think about the fact that you’re an asshole. And I am loving, in a bitterly ironic way, your “gun to the head” metaphor.

            Oh, wait, that’s unkind. As a woman, I have *every* right to make demands on the government I pay for. As you *males* have for years uncounted. And I don’t give a good god damn if you, as a male, don’t like it. Thing is? Women are a *majority* in this country. And you are about, I think, to find out what *we* think is “unjust”. Just sayin’.

            In other words? Good luck.

          • Katherine Walton

            Exactly, Alice!!

          • http://profiles.google.com/hays.mhays Michele Hays

            I, personally, was denied a tubal ligation in a Catholic hospital because it was deemed to be “birth control.” Problem is, in this case a tubal ligation was SOP as part of an endometrial ablation because pregnancy after an ablation can cause complications including miscarriage and uterine rupture or hemorrhage (can be deadly.)

            Chances of bringing a baby to term without an endometrium = very, very, very small. Chance of negative complications to me = not insignificant. I’m not about to take chances that my existing child will grow up without a mother.

            The practical result of their choice: two more invasive, expensive and unnecessary surgeries, one to address the fertility issue, one tomorrow to address hydrosalpinx that might never have happened if I’d been offered a tubal ligation. Let’s not mention the years of pain, I’m sure the Catholic church doesn’t care about that.

            If YOU don’t want a tubal ligation, don’t have one – but don’t go telling me and my doctor what’s good for ME.

          • thinker

            Why didn’t you go to another hospital? I don’t understand. I have been to one catholic hospital in my life and it was terrible. I will never go back to that place. Why didn’t you choose to spend your healthcare dollars at a better hospital? And I do agree with you. Your healthcare choices are your own, no hospital should dictate to you what to do with your own body… ever.

          • http://profiles.google.com/hays.mhays Michele Hays

            I wasn’t told of the issue until after the surgery was scheduled, and my doctor didn’t have surgical privileges anywhere else. I had waited for 6 months to finally find someone who would help me, had already switched doctors to find this one – and didn’t understand the ramifications of the situation at the time. How many other women are put in this position?

            Now that it’s happened, I make every effort to go to the hospital that is across town, instead of this one, which is walking distance from my house.

            Here’s the problem with the “religious belief” argument: if you leave this decision in the hands of people who are not doctors, how will they draw the line between “medically necessary” and “birth control?” Obviously, not well in my case.

          • lillian lone

            Asheville, NC has one (1) uno, one hospital. It is a Catholic hospital. Many other towns, cities, burgs have the same situation. To allow the Catholic church to decide what health care an entire community can have is wrong. That’s what is at stake here.

          • thinker

            Nobody has been discussing having religious beliefs flow into the operating room, they have been discussing having religious beliefs dictate what someone will or will not pay for. I find the idea of having someone’s religious beliefs dictate operating room procedures to be reprehensible. But, if you find yourself in that position you need to either ask them to change, and if they refuse either travel further to a hospital, move to a new city, or go through the effort of getting the community together to build some sort of clinic as a competitor to the hospital. That is what people in a free society do. Its not easy, but that is what they do.

          • Katherine Walton

            Bullshit. That’s the whole point.

          • Aly

            It is a life-saving medical “procedure” for me. Thanks for caring.

          • Eric Root

            It doesn’t matter whether birth control is life-saving or not; it is absolutely none of the employer’s business. Don’t accuse someone of dishonesty and then come out with a wild hyperbole like, “why in the world do you think that you have the right to use force against an employer to satisfy your every demand?” It is just daft to think tht coverage with BC would drive an employer out of business but coverage without it wouldn’t, that’s just nuts.

          • thinker

            It is none of the employer’s business if an employee uses birth control. It is absolutely the employer’s business what health plans they are paying for. Do you not see the difference?

          • Katherine Walton

            I PAY FOR MY HEALTH INSURANCE. SO DOES SANDRA FLUKE, YOU MORON. What part of that do you not understand?

          • Katherine Walton

            Oh, my. You’re a guy, aren’t you?

          • Josh F

            Wait. I thought we’ve been in a recovery for the past couple of years. Recession? Really? I thought unemployement was going down. Isn’t that how Obama eeked out his victory by telling us that the economy was on its way back because of the trillions he spent? I’m all confused now.

          • Katherine Walton

            We are in much better shape now than we were four years ago. Tell me how we’re not.

          • Thyme Pomagranite

            in answer to who would work there: all the people who are currently unable to find jobs with any health coverage, like my brother in law, who works for a large retail chain, and like many of their employees is carefully scheduled to never work more then the maximum number of hours that qualify him as a “part time” employee, so they are not required to provide any benefits. In this economy, paying bills and rent, and escaping the soul crushing limbo of unemployment is a higher priority then a benefits package.
            or have you not read a newspaper in the last 6 years?

          • thinker

            This is only going to continue and get worse as more and more sections of Obamacare get implemented. People without skills that are in demand need to rush to acquire some better skills, otherwise this is the purgatory that awaits them within a year or two.

          • Katherine Walton

            Bullshit. It’s been going on for *years*, and has nothing to do with Obamacare. It has everything to do with corporate and 1% greed. Everything.

          • Whedon Activist

            with the crazy amounts medical insurance costs now their would be tons more people on governmental insurance if they were untied. I use to have that thought until I realized that unions were created for a reason, minimum wage was created for a reason because unfortunately greed can overwhelm the idea of good. You will end up jumping around from company to company to find a livible wage

          • thinker

            And that’s the crux of the problem. The skyrocketing costs of healthcare in the United States. A few things that the government could do overnight to help sink those costs would be an end to monopoly grants for insurance providers, an end to monopoly grants to various facilities in a geographic locale (MRI center, X Ray machines, etc.), end the ban on reimportation of drugs, end EMTALA. Those few changes would cause the cost of healthcare to sink significantly and fairly rapidly. To see costs drop even more you need to end even more cost shifting.

          • Eric Root

            The problem is that your solution infringes the religious freedom of the employee, and and does nothing for the religious freedom of the employer. Employess shouldn’t have to be unemployed or take a sucky job just so the boss doesn’t infringe their religious freedom. The boss owns a business in order to make money, not in order to have a bunch of people whose private lives he can control.

          • thinker

            Now I am confused and am not sure what you are replying to. Could you possibly clarify? I certainly agree with your final sentence. I am not sure exactly what the first two are in reference to.

          • gimme a break

            hey, let’s have the FDA stop regulating what goes into hot dogs! let the people choose the quality of their product!

          • thinker

            Were hot dogs particularly different or worse before the FDA existed?

          • Katherine Walton

            Yes, they were. But, as I said before, don’t let History kick you in the ass.

          • butterstar

            Wow, “thinker” — if that was the case, nobody would work for anyone who didn’t provide health insurance, right? Right?? Oh, wait… there are more people than jobs, and those kids can’t keep eating air sandwiches for dinner. Guess I’ll have to take the job I can get and hope something better comes along — maybe when those better-insured than I die off and I can get their spot — except I’m for likely to die first, seeing as I HAVE NO INSURANCE.

          • thinker

            If you want to hit full employment you are going to have to end the minimum wage and stop paying people not to work. You will never have full employment until that occurs. I guess you could possibly have an artificial “full employment” if enough money printing hits the economy. But that will be shot lived and end in a blow up a la the .com explosion in 2000.

          • Katherine Walton

            Full employment does *not* equal people being able to live on what they make. You want full employment with people making less money than it takes to pay rent and eat? Oh, wait, that’s a question, not a statement. So let me restate: You want “full employment” with people making less money than it takes to pay rent and eat. There you go. Geezuz Fricken Criste you people make me sick.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.caroselli Tony Caroselli

            Wow. You’re insane.

          • TheBee

            Thank you!

          • Delphine

            I have said this since the Religious Freedoms™ gauntlet was first flung. I do not understand why it hasn’t already happened.

          • GrnMachine

            FYI, the Christian Science provides medical insurance for any employees who want it.

          • Col. Kevin M Jankoski

            Read Obamacare they damn sure do have to pay for it, the woman above Karen Davis tell me when Mitt Romney ever claimed single mothers were to blame for gun violence? You sound insane when you say ridiculous things like this. Criminals are responsible for gun violence. As a card carrying member of the GOP and the NRA you need to read the facts states with right to carry laws have experienced on average a 63% decline on one on one attacks, muggings, and home invasions. The criminals now are on notice that they may be breaking in to an armed citizens home. I agree with you on equal pay but Obama has sucked at enacting equal pay, hell he hasnt even submitted a budget in four years. This election was a mandate to lock the country down more of the same gridlock DC to keep Obama from doing any more damage to this country or civil war to prevent America from falling into a weak ass social country like france, hell Obama has the appology and surrender down pat.

          • John R. Smith

            PRESIDENT Obama HAS submitted a budget EVERY year he has been in office. Unfortunately, my Republican representatives have seen fit to place the “one term agenda” above approving or working on a compromise to enacting a budget. Mitt Romney did indeed say that single mothers are responsible for the increase in gun violence, and people are for RESPONSIBLE gun laws, not taking them away!

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Donna-Caldwell-Moore/1342973314 Donna Caldwell Moore

            how many democrats actually voted for his budget? do you know?

          • http://twitter.com/William_Speaks William OP

            None. The Congressional Republican leaders made it so it could never come to a vote until it was presented their way. So Obama’s budget was never even considered!

          • thinker

            This is an outright lie. His budget was so absurd it garnered something like 2 democratic votes throughout his entire term. Why would he submit a legitimate budget when he can continue to do whatever he wants via continuing resolutions?

          • http://www.facebook.com/exmmedia Brian Montgomery

            Obama is one of those guys that only wants to talk if you agree with him, if you don’t then hes done talking.

          • thinker

            That does seem to be true. But I certainly don’t think that much, if any, of the GOP is better. I would really be happy if people would sit back and realize that both parties are nearly identically bad.

          • http://twitter.com/kinderone1 Karl Ericson

            You’ve finally said something I can agree with you on. However, all of your car and boat analogies are just complete crap.

          • thinker

            And yet that is house an insurance pool works. Should we be completely honest about the whole situation? That very vast majority of people crying about “birth control coverage” do not want health insurance in any way shape or form. What they want is for someone else to pay for their routine medical expense because they don’t like to pay the costs on their own. Why would I buy car insurance from a company that offered to cover my oil changes as an insurance expense, but instead of paying $1200 / year in car insurance fees I now have to pay $15,000 / year?

            It is a foolish approach to take, and certainly is nothing remotely resembling “insurance” to cover a routine expense like birth control. So the fact that so many people are demanding that “everyone be required” to cover it is absurd. Maybe you should focus your efforts on ending the ridiculous connection between health insurance and employment, say nothing for the skyrocketing healthcare costs in the United States that are in large part due to government intervention in the market. That way you could buy your own health insurance like you do car and home insurance, and it would be irrelevant where you worked or what your employer thought.

          • Katherine Walton

            Really? I’m for birth control coverage and want health insurance. But I’m someone who pays for it out of pocket, and has done since 1986. Myself. And I’m past the age to worry about birth control, and my partner had a vasectomy years ago. So it “doesn’t affect me”. So why are you against Obamacare? From what you write, you should be for universal Medicare.

            And yet? You’re not. Good god in heaven, you’re a selfish, self-serving asshole. Seriously.

          • http://www.facebook.com/latiki.williams.5 LaTiki Williams

            And I can say the same for you

          • http://twitter.com/kinderone1 Karl Ericson

            You, sir, clearly have nothing to say…like me

          • Codger

            You’re factually incorrect here. The budget was never put for a vote.

          • thinker

            The Republicans put the budget up to vote in both the house and senate. Are you making the claim that it was not the “real” Obama budget proposal that they put up for a vote?

          • http://www.facebook.com/michael.scott.foster Michael Scott Foster

            Lie…

          • http://twitter.com/kinderone1 Karl Ericson

            You, sir, are clearly a brilliant thinker

          • Alqahira

            The last two budgets submitted to Congress were unanimously rejected by the Democratic Senate

          • Codger

            His budget never went to a vote. What went to a vote was a proposal by Republicans to vote early on the budget, which they presented in an abridged and unacceptable form. Democtrats voted against sending that version of the budget ahead for a vote. But the budget itself was never voted on. This was a pretty clear ploy to make it look like the Democrats didn’t support the budget, and it appears to have worked.

          • http://www.facebook.com/exmmedia Brian Montgomery

            Hes not my “president” so dont correct someone passively, also your 1000% wrong. OBAMA has not submitted a budget since the first budget and in fact the last 2 years hes been trying to get elected for another 4 years instead of doing his job.

            FYI: In the first 2 years of his election he and his family went on 27 vacations that the tax payers paid for.

            So tell me what hes done in the last 4 years?

          • free1thinker

            @Brian – Obama is the President of the USA so unless you are planning on committing treason (let me know so I can dial up the FBI and Secret Service) or you are planning to move (we’ll all help you pack) he is your President, too.

            Also, please note that as of August 2011, “President Obama had taken 61 vacation days after 31 months in office. At this point in their presidencies, George W. Bush had spent a WHOPPING 180 days on vacation. And Ronald Reagan had taken 112 vacation days.” It sounds as if you just want to find something to be angry about and are rooting around for a good target. May I encourage you to find a useful outlet for that destructive energy.

            http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-20093801.html

          • http://www.facebook.com/latiki.williams.5 LaTiki Williams

            And how many did Bush go on? And Reagan? And what makes you think we paid for them? I could have sworn he had a job, a damn good one at that,before he was elected………thought his wife had a job too………must be thinking about someone else. I want to see you go to work and not take a day off or a vacay…………didnt think so.

          • TrueLib

            Politifact: “In his speech, Romney faulted Obama for failing to pass a budget. He
            was correct that the two times Congress voted on the president’s budget
            requests, both times they were voted down. But the job of passing a
            budget resolution is not the president’s. That responsibility falls to
            Congress, and even then the president doesn’t sign it. As Ellis, our
            expert, put it: “The president has no role in passing a budget. The
            president can cajole Congress about passing a budget and advocate for
            positions and funding levels, but in the end, Congress approves the
            budget resolution for their own purposes.”

          • http://www.facebook.com/idalisleon Idalis Leon

            That pales in comparison to Bush- 1020 days on Vacay…more than any other President in history. And so what. Being the President of the United States is the HARDEST Job on the PLANET. The mental and physical fatigue endured from the pressure alone, seemingly coming from the world deserves as many days as needed to rebuild, to replenish one’s self. You are grasping at straws. Go down another road. This is not a strong arugument.

          • http://www.facebook.com/michael.scott.foster Michael Scott Foster

            John, that statement is typical of the liberal Obamalies… Not one Democrat voted for your Obama’s so-called budget. Try some facts on for a change, turn off MSNBC!

          • http://twitter.com/kinderone1 Karl Ericson

            You, sir, are an idiot

          • Hans

            Why are Republicans unable to use spell chechibg?

          • FybrOptx

            Wow. Is that all you have to come back with?

          • Steve D

            Colonel, with all due respect: Romney is the one who sounded insane — see his reply to a question at the 10/16 debate about gun control. He spins the topic into a discussion about the “culture of violence” and suggests that single parent households contribute to that problem. It doesn’t make much sense in context, and it was widely commented upon at the time. (It also ignores the fact that some of the young men involved in some of the most horrifying shooting incidents in recent years DID appear to grow up in two-parent households, with regular church attendance.)

          • thinker

            Statistically Romney was correct, although he could have certainly been more direct (and less politically correct) with his statement. Most gun violence is due to black males aged 15-35, and since this demographic grows up in primarily single parent households, the assumption is that lack of a father is a major role here. This gun violence occurs despite the vast majority of guns being owned by white people. You are correct in that there are plenty of crimes committed by individuals that grew up in two parent households, but the majority of gun crime is due to black males aged 15-35.

          • free1thinker

            Let’s be honest. This isn’t the gun crime that concerns most of us because we don’t live in the neighborhoods where it is manifested. When this violence leaks over into suburbia and when white youth begin shooting up their schools and universities, THAT, is when most of us become alarmed. But the reality is that alarm is just hypocrisy if we aren’t concerned about why military-grade, rapid-fire assault weapons are legal and available en masse on our streets (and no I don’t believe the NRA that they are for hunting deer), why mentally unstable people and people with a history of violence can pass background checks given all the loopholes and purchase guns, why in some neighborhoods it is easier to buy a Saturday night special than it is to find a school where even half the kids are reading on grade level. The fact is your analysis stops short and points to a symptom as a cause.

          • thinker

            Its certainly not the gun crime that concerns me, it is the ghetto culture that concerns me.

            Military grade full auto weapons are very difficult and very expensive to get in the United States. If you are attempting to equate semi-automatic sport rifles with military weapons don’t, they are a pale comparison. Semi auto rifles can be used for hunting deer, but in most states it is not legal. The purpose of the second amendment was not to protect hunting, and I doubt you will ever see the NRA make that claim. It is to give a final protection against tyranny, whether that comes from the gang down the street or from your own government. The colonists had just finished nearly losing a war to the British, where one of the primary tactics used by the British was to restrict guns, ball, and powder to the colonists. Do you really think that they were thinking about hunting? There is some good scholarship on piracy during the revolution and how important the weapons captured by pirates turned out to be to the colonists.

            To further point out some misconceptions on your part it is not particularly easy for someone with a past criminal history to pass a background check and acquire a weapon. I would be interested to see any felonies that would allow one to pass a background check. With the enormous lobbying put forth to stop states from checking ID’s to vote, I am rather curious why so many are up in arms about requiring IDs and background checks in order to purchase a gun. Why is one constitutional right treated differently than another?

            So, I do not understand your charge of hypocrisy. I don’t think that America has a gun problem. You would be more accurate to describe America’s violence problem as a “black youth” problem than a gun problem. If you disagree I welcome you to move to West Philly, where I had to (unfortunately) spend several years. It won’t take you long to recognize a pattern when it comes to crime and violence, and guns are not the common denominator.

          • free1thinker

            You should review the NRA arguments. They often talk about hunting when arguing against bans. And no, unfortunately, military-grade weapons are not hard to get. All you have to do is watch the local news of any major city and see that many police are outgunned.

            Contrary to your erroneous assumptions I have lived in West Philly (spent 4 years there). I also have lived in Brooklyn before its recent resurgence, the south side of Chicago, Los Angeles and Oakland,CA. Again I say to you that black youth are a symptom of the issue but not a cause. You seem to be focused on drawing racial conclusions from this issue and, if so, have at it! (Many people draw self-satisfaction out of demonizing the other as laid out in Eric’s blog). But if you are interested in intelligent dialogue, you will realize that it is our lack of investment as a country in people who look a certain way, make less than a certain amount, or live in a certain neighborhood that is the cause of the problem. Because of our history black youth tend to fit into the category of peoples whom we do not invest in, but there are plenty of others including white youth in the Ozarks and rural, impoverished areas.

          • thinker

            If I have only identified the symptom, and not the cause, then please inform me of the cause. I have heard about “racism”, and “oppression”, and “white privilege” more times than I can count. Yet nobody ever seems to be able to provide even a few concrete examples of such things in the real world, certainly not in numbers enough to explain the broken ghetto culture that is so pervasive amongst blacks.

            Where is the lack of investment? Billions per year every year on schools and scholarships. Billions more on rent assistance, energy assistance, food assistance. Special status in university admissions and when seeking employment. I don’t see a *lack* of investment at all, just failed investment. What is your solution to the problem? What do you see as the problem?

            As to the weapons bit I really do not like the NRA and don’t pay attention to whatever they are pitching, but I can take some time to review their most recent talking points. I can’t say that I have EVER seen the police being outgunned, certainly not in the last 10 years or so. The police have become so heavily armed and militarized that they routinely enjoy flaunting their equipment. If you truly wanted to get into an armed standoff with police you would have to be exceptionally well prepared if you expected to win. Standard gun store weapons and ammo will do very very little to overcome their arms and armor.

          • free1thinker

            Your comment.. “The broken ghetto culture that is so pervasive amongst blacks”.. tells me all I need to know about engaging in a discussion with you and that is that you have your mind made up based on limited information, that you are not open to new information, that you are smug about stereotyping groups of people and nothing I say is likely to change any of the above. The problem could be summed up in opinions like yours where groups of people are written off as children without ever having had a fair shake at life, but until you can at least attempt to be less offensive in your musings, forgive me if I don’t go into depth with you. Good day!

          • thinker

            Unfortunately I have gotten that response quite a bit. Usually following the provision of data the other side has no rebuttal for. I am always open to new information, and would encourage you to attempt to present any relevant data that you actually have. For instance, here are some FBI crime statistics that support my point http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl06.xls They get even worse when you look at single victim multiple offender. My point of view has grown from thousands upon thousands of anecdotal experiences, as well as looking at crime statistics such as those, and watching black v white crime get reported on msm at an astonishingly tiny rate as opposed to its converse. I would be happy to hear why you think this is anything but a black problem.

          • free1thinker

            Why am I not surprised that you have gotten that same response when you have said offensive, stereotypical things in the past and yet you continue to say them? Shame on you for purposely being obnoxious; it is not an endearing quality. I never disputed the crime statistics, which is why there was no need for you to post the link, but if it made you feel better – great.

            What I am disputing is the ultimate cause of crime not just where and how it is manifested. I believe crime is a poverty problem not a race problem. You don’t see middle class and affluent blacks besieged by crime issues do you? Would love to see you produce some links on that if you disagree, but won’t hold my breath. In this country, due to our history, wealth and access to resources and opportunities are not now and were not ever distributed equitably, meaning that poverty affects a disproportionate share of black people (who are only a few generations – and for some less – out of illiteracy and having nothing but the clothes on their backs due to slavery and Jim Crow). Economic problems, in turn, exacerbate social problems, such as crime, drug abuse, gangs, reliance on government assistance, and family break-ups. All one needs to do is visit rural impoverished areas with a low percentage of blacks to know this is not just a black problem. (It seems clear you are not aware of such rural, impoverished areas so may I encourage you to take a tour through your own country.)

            Just as the stats for crime stats whites for whites in these impoverished, rural areas do not hold for all whites, the crime stats for impoverished blacks do not hold for all blacks. Thus this cannot be a black problem. To intimate it is, is to show your own interest in creating and maintaining false beliefs about people for your own benefit.

          • http://www.facebook.com/latiki.williams.5 LaTiki Williams

            Why does it have to be “black” youth? I have yet to hear of a “black” youth going into a school,movie theater,mall, and shooting people. Why cant it be a crime? Why does it have to have color? Until people stop seeing color we will never be a UNITED States of America. There is crime all over this country, Asians, American Indians,Middle Easterns,Whites,Blacks,Hispanic. All races have done crimes since the beginning of time, why “black” did we invent guns? Do we buy them? Do we ship them here?

          • thinker

            Its black youth because they commit a massive and outsized portion of violent crime in the United States in relation to their segment of the population. You are right that crime is obviously not restricted to black youth. But when people bring up the “gun problem” in the United States they are bringing up the problem with black youth whether they realize it or not. Until people stop closing their eyes to problems due to political correctness we will never find solutions to many of the problems that plague this country.

          • tomandyourmom

            Dear Col Mustard: You don’t have any idea what you’re talking about. Your right-to-carry “statistics” are straight-up lies, as are your views on Obama’s “non-submission” of a budget. Oh, and the claim that they “have to pay for it”. You really should go back to your hate-filled life, and leave the adults to talk.

          • Alyssa Van Story

            “Dear Colonel Mustard”… Lol!!!!!!!!!!

          • Heather

            It was in the second debate. Romney specifically tied single mothers to rising gun violence in a stream-of-conscious free-association exercise so breathtaking I actually didn’t believe he’d done it.

          • msjackson

            Mitt Romney stated that one of the causes of violence in crime ridden areas was because there are too many single women heading families. I heard that too. Said it in one of the debates. No one is saying that guns should be taken from responsible people like you. This election ended the way it did because the majority of people wanted Obama, the majority of states who had folks running against extreme ideologues voted them out, and those that returned, their House districts sent them back because their opposition was weak or in many cases non-existent (running unopposed). But keep turning a blind eye and deaf ear to the writing that’s on the wall. The country is no longer dominated by extreme views. As a country, we are getting more center and more moderate. The longer you ignore that, the longer you will keep losing national, senate, and house elections. And the paranoid hatred you have with Obama, that’s not helpful.

          • Barb Schaarschmidt

            In the presidential debate when asked what he would do about gun control, he said that he would start by telling people to get married before having children…that would reduce the cause of gun violence. Check it out…it happened.

          • http://www.facebook.com/exmmedia Brian Montgomery

            thats true, less fucked up kids to grow up and rob people.

            its a fact that 2 parents have a better chance of raising a “good” child.

          • http://www.facebook.com/latiki.williams.5 LaTiki Williams

            Hell Ted Bundy, and John Wayne Gasey had 2 parents, that dont mean shit

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1529406389 Rhonda Paulson

            President Obama and President Clinton were raised by single mothers as well. Just agreeing with you that single mothers aren’t the problem. For me, it’s education and equal pay – or lack thereof.

          • passerby


            about at 40 seconds.

          • Spock

            There are too many untruths, or as we call them, lies, in this to reply to them all. It makes my head hurt. But Romney implied single mothers were to blame for gun violence in the second debate.

          • Katherine Walton

            Implied? He was very *clear*.

          • Galena

            Romney equated single parent homes with higher gun violence during the second debate. Or did you not watch them? Yep, it sure sounds insane when people are informed and then mention it!

          • John

            “This election was a mandate to lock the country down more of the same gridlock DC to keep Obama from doing any more damage to this country…”

            You can’t be serious about that, right? Do you really believe that the 52% of the country who voted for the President, and those other majorities that voted for Democrats, and liberal-leaning Independents 55 to 45 did so to ensure gridlock? In the first place, that is very poor reasoning.

            In the second place, a major reason the House remains under GOP control is the redistricting process that occurred under Republican control. Make that redistricting independent, and there is a significant likelihood that Democrats, and their 52% popular vote, would control both branches of Congress and the Presidency.

            So, between the popular vote for Presidency, and the Democrats picking up seats in both the House and Senate, this election, if anything, is a mandate for moderation, exactly as Mr. Garland has laid out.

          • http://www.facebook.com/charlie.self1 Charlie Self

            Jeez, further proof why I didn’t much trust officers when I was a corporal in the Marines.

          • http://www.facebook.com/michael.scott.foster Michael Scott Foster

            Amen

          • http://twitter.com/kinderone1 Karl Ericson

            You are ridiculous sir

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.caroselli Tony Caroselli

            YOU read “Obamacare,” because no, you’re wrong, and Karen Davis is right.

            “Tell me when Mitt Romney ever claimed single mothers were to blame for gun violence?

            http://www.npr.org/2012/10/16/163050988/transcript-obama-romney-2nd-presidential-debate

            MS. CROWLEY: Governor Romney, the question is about assault weapons, AK-47s.

            MR. ROMNEY: Yeah, I — I’m not in favor of new pieces of legislation on — on guns and — and taking guns away or — or making certain guns illegal. We of course don’t want to have automatic weapons, and that’s already illegal in this country to have automatic weapons.

            What I believe is we have to do as the president mentioned towards the end of his remarks there, which is to make enormous efforts to enforce the gun laws that we have and to change the culture of violence we have. And you ask, how are we going to do that? And there are a number of things…

            But let me mention another thing, and that is parents. We need moms and dads helping raise kids. Wherever possible, the — the benefit of having two parents in the home — and that’s not always possible. A lot of great single moms, single dads. But gosh, to tell our kids that before they have babies, they ought to think about getting married to someone — that’s a great idea because if there’s a two-parent family, the prospect of living in poverty goes down dramatically. The opportunities that the child will — will be able to achieve increase dramatically.

          • Katherine Walton

            Wow. Can I get this in English?

          • mike

            bull, the country will pay for all the liberal giveaways, very sad all that education and no common sense.

          • snjmom

            Thinker, you may want to consider the extreme power differential between employer and employee. We don’t live in an economy where one can refuse to work until the best employer comes along. What other government enforced labor rules do you wish to discard? 40 hour wks, 8 hour days, child labor, company towns and scrip? It’s a new century. Kudos to Eric, my fellow St. Louisian. Great essay.

          • Eric Root

            Obama proposed the ACA precisely because it was a GOP project back in the Gingrich days and he very reasonably thought the Republicans would go for it. The kind of dishonesty it takes to whine that that is a “liberal giveaway” is precisely the kind of thing that drove a lot of us in the ploitical middle to vote for Obama, at least the Democrats didn’t make a point of being whiney, mean, and hating education.

          • Katherine Walton

            Yeah. No.

          • TheBee

            When and employer includes/excludes coverage from a policy, the premium that employer pays to the insurance co is affected. So yes, the Catholic Church would have to pay more for that inclusion.

          • Justin

            Studies have shown that providing BC actually DECREASES health insurance cost by minimizing unintended pregnancies and births. So the RC affiliated entities would be SAVING money by providing BC.

            Just saying…

          • John

            Agreed, Justin. This is an important point. Offering free birth control AND providing consultation on proper birth control choice reduced abortions in St. Louis by 80%. EIGHTY PERCENT! This in turn lowers both health care costs, and tax burden on health care by literally billions of dollars.

          • free1thinker

            Now that is fiscal responsibility and social policy I can support!

          • Alqahira

            Many Catholic hospitals and universities are self-insured. In these cases, the church is in fact required to pay for contraception in violation of their church tenets. For those institutions that do use insurance companies, the lion’s share of the premiums are paid by the church, no differently than any other employer offering issurance. Insurance companies do not pay for anything, they redistribute premiums paid by others. Different insurance companies can have different coverages and exclusions from one another – what my insurance company covers, yours may not. That is true of all policies, not just those that cover contraception, so the Catholic Church’s decision not to provide contraception is consistent with other coverages across most insurance companies with or without Obamacare.

          • http://conservatives.are.terrorists/ Dr. Matt

            “in violation of their church tenets.”

            Where in the bible does it state women shouldn’t have access to birth control pills?

          • Alqahira

            Dr. Matt,

            Though I am not a Catholic, or of any religious persuasion, I can tell you that not all tenets of the Catholic Church are found in the Judeo-Christian bible. The Catholic Church has a history of combining bible text justifications with its oral and written traditions. Birth control is found in the latter.
            Alqahira

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            Dr. Matt wrote, in response to Alqahira:

            “in violation of their church tenets.”

            Where in the bible does it state women shouldn’t have access to birth control pills?
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          • http://conservatives.are.terrorists/ Dr. Matt

            You never answered the question: How is birth control a violation of the biblical tenets?

          • Alqahira

            Dr. Matt – In the reply I sent you, I explained that not all Catholic tenets are found in the Judeo-Christian bible – some are a matter of written and oral tradition. Birth control falls into this category of tradition.

          • Gregoryd

            actually Catholic Hospitals and universities are only afilliated with the Catholic church for the most part. they are not run or operated by the chruch itself. I have worked at one for 16 years.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ken-Nemeth/641953126 Ken Nemeth

            I’m very much looking forward to hauling the Catholic Church into the 21st century and forcing them to offer BC to its employees. It will also help end the institution’s fundamental hypocrisy, given that something like 95% of Catholics either use or have used BC.

          • Knack

            I don’t know if you’re Catholic or not, but it’s NOT the government’s job to “haul the Catholic church into the 21st century.” And how, exactly, is it “the institution’s” hypocrisy if it has ALWAYS said no to birth control, but SOME of the members (95%? Really? Cite your source) decide to use it anyway? Whether you agree with the Catholic church or not, they’re free to believe what they believe and shouldn’t be forced to provide something they consider to be a grave sin.

          • free1thinker

            @Knack – There are many sources for this info. Here is one: “Sexually active Catholic women older than 18 are just as likely (98%) to have used some form of contraception banned by the Vatican as women in the general population (99%).” I believe the original study was conducted by the Guttmacher Institute but it has been widely quoted.

            http://www.catholicsforchoice.org/topics/catholicsandchoice/documents/Factstellthestoryweb.pdf

          • thinker

            This makes no sense. You have a pathological hatred for the Catholic
            Church, and want to impose your own views on them. Do you hate the Catholic Church due to their history of committing evil acts and forcing their viewpoints upon others? If so you are exactly the same. You need not “force” anyone to do anything. Just refuse to do any business with the Catholic Church or with people who patronize the church if you feel so strongly.

          • JC

            That’s too bad, isn’t it? As employers they are bound to follow all the laws that apply to such, and providing an option is not the same as promoting an option. It really begins to boil down to a due process issue. Do these institutions get to fire employees for being unfaithful spouses? Can they not hire divorcees because they disapprove of that too? Can you be fired if they find out you ARE taking birth control? For crying out loud, they protect criminal behavior in their own ranks and want to deny others the broad coverage stipulated by ACA on their nebulous ideas about human sexuality and the origins of life? I can give you a Scripture, too: in the Bread of Life passage in the Gospel of John, Jesus Christ himself said “Let them go” about those who could not accept his teaching. The RC Church is outside her mission when micromanaging the lives of others on this scale. She may urge, she may call, but providing a blanket policy in which the end users choose their options, at the behest of the government (Ceasar?) does not make her collusive in the least; she has made it clear that it is against her will that she must acquiesce. FTR, I am Catholic, and actively so. I sympathize with the dilemma, but this is really the price of providing service in the secular world. Try looking from the other end of the telescope: the Church does not have to provide birthcontrol per se – however, neither is she allowed to construct policies that deny it. Feel free to reply, I love a good rhubarb, and have been debating these issues for years! :)

          • http://twitter.com/ErichTheGreen Erich Jacoby-Hawkins

            The thing that everyone is either ignoring or unaware of is that, by including birth control in their coverage, insurance providers are actually LOWERING their overall costs. (Pregnancy claims are big money). So rather than asserting that the Catholic church “would have to pay to provide BC”, the opposite is true – they’d have to pay more in total coverage costs if they DON’T provide BC.

          • http://www.facebook.com/exmmedia Brian Montgomery

            no its not. you can buy condoms at 7-11

          • free1thinker

            And how do condoms relieve symptoms of dysmenorrhea, endometriosis, or migraines or painful medical conditions women encounter, and how do they serve as preventative measures against endometrial or ovarian cancer or other forms of diseases women encounter? Oh that’s right! They don’t. Only oral contraceptives do, because they are not just a method of birth control, they are hormone regulators. Are birth control pills available at 7-11? No. So back to the point above.

          • b

            “Ham is not a prescription medication.”

            You don’t live in the South, do you?

          • Book woman

            Agreed. If their members don’t believe in BC then what are they worried about? They won’t have any issues, right! It seems to me that they need to worry more about some (cough) bigger problems with their priests.

          • A Little Voice From The Middle

            I just have to butt in…employers do pay for an employees’ health benefits. I am not employed by a Catholic employer, but I am 100% sure that my company pays for more than half of my policy. Increased coverage more often than not means higher premiums.

          • free1thinker

            Someone has already pointed out that the slight increase in premiums would be more than offset by not having to pay premiums for pregnancy care and have employees out on maternity leave. I think the term they used was a penny spent, a dollar saved.

          • Dentree

            I have had seven years of Jesuit high school and university and can state with some authority that they rival Talmudic scholars for intellectual hair-splitting. The Jesuit order and Jesuit universities are quite comfortable with your explanation, Paula, and, given that level of remove (it’s actually the insurance companies who pay) they are fine with Jesuit institutions providing BC for employees. It’s the bishops, who, as creatures of the uber-conservative Vatican, are utterly out of touch with the vast majority of American Catholics and who are pushing the issue politically.

          • free1thinker

            Actually @me that’s exactly what they were saying. None of the Catholic employers would have paid for birth control, as no employer pays for the prescriptions their employees take. What Catholic institutions would need to do is simply to make sure their employees had access to birth control (which is also used for several other medical reasons) through the insurance they carried. But they didn’t even want to do that. This is not about ham being served at a synagogue. A more accurate analogy would be a synagogue that owns several businesses with hundreds and thousands of employees who are not Jewish using its power to try to block access to its employees (Jewish or not) buying ham though other foods are available and accessible.

          • http://twitter.com/judis217 Judi Sohn

            Bad metaphor. The churches aren’t being asked to buy birth control. They’re being required to pay for healthcare costs and what it’s spent on is between the employee and their doctor. The synagogue isn’t being told to serve a ham dinner. They’re giving guests money for dinner and what they choose from the menu is up to them. In fact, I’m Jewish and don’t eat pork for religious reasons. If a friend is over and we’re ordering in lunch, I’m perfectly fine if they order pork or shrimp. I’ll even pay for it. I just ask that they make sure it doesn’t touch my table. The fact that I change my diet because of religion is MY choice. I ask others to respect my choices, not conform to them.

          • thinker

            If that is the case, and you want others to respect your choices, why do you not respect the choices of others? If you do not like the insurance policy offered by a catholic employer then don’t work there. Or pickup some sort of accessory insurance plan? Are you unable to see your own hypocrisy?

          • passerby

            Like at, say, the jewish-owned deli down the street where I bought a bacon cheeseburger. The Catholic hospital is not a synagogue.

          • Spock

            Food isn’t served at a synagogue at all so that is a silly comparison. BC is health care. Health care is part of your reimbursement for work at the company. A company should not be able to say what kind of treatments you are allowed to receive. Furthermore *religious* Catholic institutions were exempted. Only hospitals, schools etc., where the mission is NOT fundamentally or exclusively Catholic were required to comply

          • thinker

            Actually they should be able to “say” *exactly* that. An employer offers you a compensation package. You are free to accept it, turn it down, or negotiate for more. What you should not be able to do is get the government involved to extort more compensation from your employer than he/she is willing to provide. You believe in theft via force, and that viewpoint will come back to haunt you one day.

          • Barry_D

            “No one is saying that non catholics can’t have BC. They just won’t pay
            for it. Ham is NOT served at the synagogue. If you want ham you have to
            get it somewhere else.”

            Which basically says that your employer gets to tailor your benefits to their religious objections.

            Also, I recall these years 2001-09 where these people had no problem at all making me pay for whatever they wanted, with no religious objections possible. They wanted a war, torture, money for their cronies, I had to pay for it.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ken-Nemeth/641953126 Ken Nemeth

            How about this – if the Catholic Church wants to legislate morality with its variously, partially-publicly funded operations, they can cease to utilize their non-profit status and pay taxes just like any other corporation. What’s that? Yup, thought so.

          • thinker

            In what world is the Catholic Church attempting to “legislate” anything? Are you seriously this deluded or do you just enjoy building up strawmen to break them down? The Catholic Church does not want anyone else to dictate to it what it can offer as compensation to employees, including the content of healthcare plans. People that work for Catholic employers can accept the compensation offered or move on to an employer they find to be more agreeable.

          • John

            The Catholic Church attempts to legislate everything. Recent memory: Don’t vote for John Kerry because he is Pro-choice, or more recently, the Catholic Church has been all over TVs in every state with Gay Marriage on the ballot. A person who doesn’t think that a religious institution is interested in legislation is deluded.

          • thinker

            John, you have no understanding whatsoever of what the word “legislate” means. Legislation is making a rule and enforcing it via the government’s monopoly on the use of force. Holding an opinion or position (which is what you just described as the Catholic Church’s position) is hardly legislating anything.

            You also need to realize that if you are supporting these various state law and state amendment issues “recognizing” gay marriage that you are on the wrong side of the issue. The proper position for the government is to be completely blind to marriage. It is no business of the local, state, or federal government if you are married to a man, a woman, or multiple men or women. The government is supposed to exist to provide essential services (that allegedly would not be provided by anyone else). These services have zero need to know your marriage status. The entire “issue” of gay marriage was created by the government via their numerous entitlement programs that spouses can benefit from. Do you not see the irony in the government creating a a new rule that causes a problem, causing a bunch of people to cry to the government about it so that they pass a new rule to try to fix the problem? Why not just get the government out of marriage entirely and the problem just solved itself.

          • John

            I’m pretty sure, as a lawyer, I’m qualified to use the term “legislate” accurately. For your enlightenment, the term means to “bring something about by making laws.” In fact, the Catholic Church has it’s own nation and does plenty of “legislating” by both your definition and mine. Your fatal flaw is calling everyone idiots/delusional, then offering your own absurd assertion. It cannot be said that the Catholic Church simply “holds an opinion”. Do you honestly believe that the Church sits on the sidelines with all of the money and influence it wields? Your argument about Gay Marriage, while significantly valid, is a complete red herring.

          • http://twitter.com/kinderone1 Karl Ericson

            Ah, the libertarian speaks another false dichotomy…just get the government out of the way and all will be well.

          • sjs

            Health insurance is part of the compensation package for employees. The synagogue can’t tell it’s employees that they aren’t allowed to buy ham with their salary. Your choice of what to do with your compensation should be up to you, not the employer.

          • Eric Root

            A workplace is not a Catholic church, either. Mandatory adherence to the beliefs of the boss would infringe the employees freedom of religion.

          • Lita Villa-Coult

            Well, The $$ of this Country is part of our Political System, Not our religious beliefs! Separate Politics from Religion If I am WORKING at a Department Store Owned by someone it should Not be their Concern about My Religious beliefs to get my check OR my Benefits! Work Is Working, Not a Date with GOD! If you are Working, getting medical services , insurance or Any Other $$ issues, it is NOT Part of a Religion unless you are worshipping the Money!! PAYING for Someones Work Benefits should NOT have Anything to do with your religion unless you are working for the CHURCH…. MAYBE!!!

          • Lita Villa-Coult

            If you have a Business that does not want to pay for certain Healthcare Issues, then they should not Hire people of Other Beliefs…oh…wait…don’t we have something about that…oh yeah, something about Discriminating…beliefs…hiring… I know it is there…

          • Lita Villa-Coult

            WORKING for someone does Not mean you must Believe in God by their Rules…or that they can Force you into it by Deciding on your Health and Well being!

          • http://twitter.com/TheLadyRides Emily Love

            Uh… there are a lot of practicing Catholics who use birth control. S’truth.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/T5UAJA6Y3EFLYAZBBRPHXGQ5HM Bob

            No one is telling them they can’t use it. They are just being told they wont have it paid for. Why is it that it’s of paramount importance to keep people out of our bedrooms, but it’s perfectly ok for them to subsidize what goes on in them?

          • Paula

            If it’s a matter of money, pregnancy is a lot more expensive, as is losing your workers every nine months.

            Birth control is a health issue, and it’s used for more than just controlling birth. But I am not going to justify to my employer what’s a healthcare reason for birth control and what isn’t. That’s silly, and it’s really just between me and my doctor. Birth control is a reasonable and cheap prescription drug, and it should be covered.

          • thinker

            You are free to find a new employer if you do not like the compensation you are being offered. Why are you unable to see that you can move to a better employer, and instead think that it is acceptable to coerce whatever you want from your current employer?

          • hacka

            Aloha, Thinker –

            Howzabout I tell you that I didn’t want my nice atheistic tax dollars going to religious institutions for ‘faith-based charities’ starting during the Bush years? Why should my tax money go to an institution the tenets of which are empirically untestable and the policies of which are demonstrably harmful to its adherents?

            If you don’t have a problem with my money going to faith-based stuff, then you should shut up about the gov’t paying for birth control.

            Except, of course, in the case of birth control etc, the money will actually be doing some demonstrable good.

            You’re just another religious moron spouting apologetics without facts….suck it up, buddy, the future is coming and there’s a lot less religiosity in it.

          • thinker

            Your money should NOT have gone to any of those charities or institutions. That is the whole point I am trying to make. A government should provide a few basic and essential services, nothing more. It should certainly not force one private party to give special treatment to another via its monopoly on violence.

            Now to your ad hominem attacks. I am not remotely religious, not a moron, and I have *many* facts at my disposal. None of this is of course relevant to the fact that the government should not interfere in private contractual arrangements, and you should be free to seek a better arrangement if you do not like your current one.

            I also have some bad news for you. In two years the country will be so angry with the economy and with Obama that they will usher in a Republican majority in the senate and a HUGE majority in the house. Four years from now they will extend both leads and will take the white house. They will then implement a ridiculous neocon agenda (that an honest observer would never be able to differentiate from what Obama is doing), and will induce a final fiscal/monetary collapse of the US by 2020. And the part you will not like (I am guessing), is that following a fiscal/monetary collapse people will flock to the church’s in droves, likely ushering in an entire generation of religious based conservatives. Oops.

          • http://www.facebook.com/dwilliamsamh Doug Williams

            Yes Catholic institutions are seeking exactly that. The law say employer provided health plans MUST offer prescription BC to women without cost to the insured. There was already an exception for the Catholic church (and any other church based on religious objection). But that wasn’t good enough. The church also wanted exceptions for its BUSINESSES such as hospitals. The answer was “no, but what we can do is with the agreement of the insurance companies, make it so you aren’t paying one penny for BC. The insurers will pay for that our of their side.” Not good enough. The church doesn’t want to just “not pay for” birth control for its female employees who would use the coverage, it wants to be able to DENY teh coverage to those women. THAT is not ok.

          • melzvox

            Bob…if Viagra is covered by insurance, then birth control should be too.

          • thinker

            Do you realize that every single insurance plan is different? That there is no one single “monolithic” thing called “insurance” provided to every single human being on the planet? If an employer wants to subscribe to an insurance plan that covers viagra and not birth control why would you ever care? If you don’t like it then choose to not work for them. If enough people think the same as you that employer goes out of business since they cannot retain employees. NOTHING “should” be “covered” by anything. Each group of people looking to become insured should choose what they want covered by the insurance pool based upon their own values and desires.

          • http://twitter.com/kinderone1 Karl Ericson

            “there is no one single “monolithic” thing called “insurance” provided to every single human being on the planet” – Ah! But there should be. That’s the kind of thing I could really get behind. Oh, but how will we pay for it (I hear the wailing cries and gnashing of teeth). I suggest we already pay for it, only most people around the world pay the ultimate cost.

          • http://twitter.com/MrsSheaWong shea wong

            Because birth control is actually just a hormone regulator, used for a myriad of things other than to stop conception. (See ovarian cyst treatment, migraine headaches, and debilitating cramps).

          • free1thinker

            @Me – No I wouldn’t tell Jewish friends they have to serve ham but neither would I expect them to prevent others from serving or eating it. To each his/her own. And as for the kids in single parent homes in high crime areas, you seem to confuse cause and effect. If in fact there are are more kids in single parent households in high crime areas could it be because those are the only areas that are affordable? What does it say about us as a country that we relegate so many children to growing up in high crime areas simply because their parents earn a low income? A recent study shows that a 40 hour work week on minimum wage cannot afford the average two bedroom apt in the U.S. so whether mom was working 40 hours or mom stayed at home with the kid(s) while dad worked 40 hours it still wouldn’t be enough to have enough space in a decent, safe neighborhood.

            http://www.geekosystem.com/40-hour-work-week-minimum-wage/

          • tiredofyouall

            free1thinker, your analysis of the crime rate/single mother problem is rather ludicrous. A high crime rate is not a geographic phenomenon. It is a result of the people living in the area. This is NOT a racial argument. High crime is a result of low opportunities. Crime, especially violent, gang related crime, is generally a result of unemployed young men. (This does not address the Aurora shooting, or other suburban school shootings, those fall into a separate category.) A life of crime is generally not a first choice for anyone, it is dangerous, and is very unstable. Poor opportunities are a result of several factors, one being a poor economic climate. The second is a lack of education. Education in the inner cities is tragically poor. In Kansas City, the inner city school district is not even accredited. This is partly an institutional problem. The other side of the coin is partly what Mr. Romney alluded to, and failed to properly argue. Education is a value that children often take from the mother. This is partially due to the fact that generally (for good or ill, but still generally) children are raised primarily by their mother. Many of the single mothers in these high crime areas, are very, very young moms. A similar phenomenon exists in some small rural towns as well. When a girl gets pregnant at 14, she is still a child, and really can’t effectively raise a child of her own. In doing so, she generally forfeits much of her high school education, and almost always any higher education. An uneducated, very young, single mother, working full time, or not, is not as able to provide the parenting her children need (yes, children, many of these young women have multiple children from multiple fathers), and do not have an education, or value higher education in a way that imparts the value of an education to her children. I have many friends in the Teach for America program, who tell me that at all levels, the teachers spend more time doing basic parenting and trying to get ill-behaved children to pay attention, than they do actually teaching. As a result of this, and the fact that getting quality teachers to stay in these areas, these children don’t receive good educations. This when added to the fact that young men have no positive male role models in their lives, makes a life of crime more attractive, or even makes it appear to be their only option. Many of the sons turn to violent crime, and the daughters get pregnant at a young age. It is a cycle, and it is a cycle that cannot be broken without a return of familial values (Yes, old fashioned as that may sound, even the UN agrees that a family unit, two parents and their children, is the essential building block of society. This isn’t a hyper-conservative principle.), and a solid education, combined with economic opportunity. Mr. Romney did an incredibly poor job attempting to articulate this, but the fact is, there is a correlation between the very young, single parent household, and violent crime. But that violent crime doesn’t receive much press. No, no one cares when minority kids die in gang violence in the inner city. But when those suburban white kids go ape-shit and shoot a lot of other suburban kids, that is what gets press. And that is a whole different kind of gun violence.

          • free1thinker

            I think you must be confusing my argument with the one presented by @Me who indicated single mothers are to blame for high crime areas. I simply said they live there likely because they can’t afford any other place. I work in the ed sector so I’m very aware of the gaps and that there are those are vested in defunding education and ensuring those who aren’t born with a silver spoon in their mouths and can’t afford private school are relegated to a substandard education. I am also aware that there are those who are vested in ensuring that if you are middle class you will struggle with basic rights such as decent affordable housing, access to healthcare etc. These are the same people vested in lowering wages for workers while increasing salaries and payouts for CEOs who ship jobs overseas. And they dare to call the rest of us takers!

          • free1thinker

            And if the single mothers you refer to could live in a different neighborhood, one with low-crime and great educational standards, might you think their children could greatly benefit and thus be less likely to succumb to the high crime and/or be a party to it?

          • thinker

            It is unfortunately a racial issue. Politically incorrect as it may be.

          • mykelb

            STupd answer. Your analogy fails on its face. The real analogy is this: Contraception, like any other drug that is available by prescription. SHOULD BE AVAILABLE BY PRESCRIPTION and covered by health insurance. Your fucking religion has nothing to do with science and never will as science has proven over and over and over that your religion is nothing but lies, and bullshit.

          • FybrOptx

            Well, by your logic then all insurance companies that provide prescription coverage are at fault as well since ALL insurance companies providing prescription coverage have a list of items (regardless of whether or not they are available by prescription) they will NOT pay for. As for lies and BS, well, that is up to an individual’s personal faith; anyone that wants to defame that (or the believer) must be afraid of something that pertains to them.

          • thinker

            You do not understand how insurance works. It is not some monolithic institution that pays for whatever you want. People pay into a common pool in order to cover costs for rare but expensive events. 1.) Birth control does not fall into this category. 2.) You may choose to add birth control to this category, but each individual insurance pool will have to make this choice on its own, you have no right whatsoever to dictate to a private insurance pool what to cover and what not to. 3.) Your profanity and rant about science vs. religion is nonsensical and serves no purpose other than to demonstrate that you are as equally a fervent zealot as the people you attempt to demonize.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000679988716 Lisa Shields

            You really don’t want to go there.
            Employers can espouse whatever beliefs they wish…but it doesn’t give them the right to INFRINGE on their employees beliefs. Not that long ago, people posted signs that said “No Irish Need Apply”…because that was part of THEIR beliefs.

          • MsJoanne

            Let’s look at this:

            1. It is not Catholic institutions that are required to supply BC, it is insurance companies. The institutions themselves have been completely removed from the equation. People make up the workforce and people should not be forced to follow a doctrine unless they choose to. Options for all employees make it better for all.

            2. The pay within the Obama administration are set by law, not by Obama. You’re getting talking points from the likes of Glenn Beck and Fox News. Look it up on your own.

            5. Perhaps we could reduce single parenthood if birth control was more readily available? Abortion, too. Think about it.

          • Barb Schaarschmidt

            Would I tell my Jewish friends to serve ham? No. Unless they opened a ham dispensary. Then it would be pretty much expected that this is what they would serve. If you are a healthcare company you must dispense healthcare. If you are a pharmacy you must dispense medicine. And unless you are my doctor you do not get to pick and choose which treatments I get. If your religious belief prevents you from providing healthcare services, get out of the healthcare business.

            If you are simply talking about people providing insurance, then this is patently silly. What about an employer who believes that drugs that treat mental health are against his beliefs? Should he get to say that his employees can’t get prescribed antidepressants? Since when do employers get to decide which healthcare treatments are acceptable or not? That’s not religious freedom. Religious freedom is allowing that person to either take birth control, or take antidepressants, or whatever or not as they see fit.

          • http://twitter.com/tiffany Tiffany Bridge

            Can we get past the idea that providing health insurance that covers contraception is the same as being forced to pay for someone’s birth control?

            I have a job, for which I am paid. As part of my total compensation package, I am paid a salary, in the form of direct deposits of actual dollars to my bank account, but I am also paid in the form of certain other benefits. When I accepted my job, I accepted it based on the full package: Dollars, paid vacation time/holidays, transit benefits, retirement account contributions, and yes, health insurance.

            My employer might be writing the check that is applied to my premium, but it is MY compensation, just as surely as my paycheck is. Those premiums are MY money. My employer has no greater moral right to decline to cover contraception than it has to tell me I may not spend my salary on it, or that I may not use my paid vacation time to go pick it up from the pharmacy.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1513005245 Rhonda Heumiller

            Before the attack on women by the right catholic organization were already paying for bc. This was a way for them to once again put a wedge between the people of this fine nation.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ken-Nemeth/641953126 Ken Nemeth

            The problem is that Catholic organizations that have taken over hospitals that receive PUBLIC funding are trying to tell people that work there that they won’t pay for BC. Sorry, as a taxpayer, that doesn’t work for me. I don’t pay for my Jewish friends’ ham, so if the Catholic Church agrees to IMMEDIATELY withdraw from all public funding for its entire operation, it can sure feel free to govern on their religious stuff, even if it is from the 13th century and that something like 95% of all Catholics admit to either using or have used BC.

          • cynic

            If the issue were allowing an employer who was a Jehovah’s Witness the “freedom” to refuse to cover blood transfusions in the health insurance plan provided as a benefit in lieu of increased salary (which is what it is), would we even be having this discussion? If you have a Jewish employers, he/she pays you a salary which allows you to buy ham. Should they be able to decide how to spend your salary, thus prohibiting you from eating bacon? Insurance coverage is another form of salary.

          • thinker

            You are incorrect. Insurance coverage is a form of compensation NOT of salary. If you do not like the compensation then leave your employer and find a better one, or attempt to negotiate for better compensation with your current one. Attempting to use the government to force your employer to compensate you in a way that you like implies that you are a believer that whoever carries the most force can do as he pleases. An attitude that will likely come back to haunt you one day.

          • transer

            I think what gets missed in a lot of these discussions is that the “birth control” pill is not used exclusively for birth control-because it’s an easy form of hormonal regulation for women, it’s used for a variety of other ailments as well. By not providing access to this medicine because of religious principles, the church is basically telling women their health is less important than their principles.

          • Krum

            Because they don’t only employ Catholic people. Besides, People are free to chose and to not have corporations or institutions choose for them.

          • brassyskts

            Ham is not a basic health care necessity. Birth control is.

          • http://www.facebook.com/buickjim Jim Hahn

            If you mean Catholic businesses that serve the public, they should have to play by the same standards, rules and regulations as non-Catholic businesses. The Catholic church religious exemptions should apply ONLY to the church itself.

          • http://twitter.com/actuallycallie Callie

            also to play devil’s advocate, should a Jehovah’s Witness employer be able to tell you you can’t have a blood transfusion? I don’t think so.

          • Michael Davis

            Your analogy is flawed in that they are not being asked to take it themselves. They are being asked to provide a medical coverage to people who do not object. Employers dont get to decide what is medically necessary or desireable, regardless of their faith. Would a company owned by Jehovah’s Witnesses be allowed to refuse coverage for surgeries that would require blood transfusions? But, but that infringes on their religious freedoms!!

          • Kimc

            the Catholic Church is not required to offer birth control. If the Catholic church has a secular business, then that business signs on with an insurance company. That insurance company is required to pay for BC for those that request it. It’s the insurance company that does it. If the Catholic church doesn’t like it, why do they have secular businesses? Aren’t churches supposed to be non-profit?

          • Eric Root

            As the judge said who adjudicated that employer benefit case, freedom of religion is a shield not a sword. Your religious freedom means no one can cross your boundary to make you use contraception; it is not religious freedom for you to cross somebody else’s boundary and keep them from using contraception. Once you cross the line between you and the other person, _their_ religious freedom cuts in and what your religion says becomes irrelevant. You wouldn’t make Jews eat ham because it infringes their religious freedom; the employer would not keep the employee from using contraception, because the employer would be infringing the employees freedom of religion; nothing concerning the employer’s freedom of religion is occurring. In other words, freedom of religion protects you from others doing something that you that you do not agree with; it is not a license for you to do something to them that they don’t agree with.

          • Michael Rhum

            About the BC thing: it’s a well-settled constitutional principle that religion does not exempt an individual or institution from obeying laws that were established for (non-religious) purposes that serve a compelling state interest. So, for example, where school districts require children to be vaccinated against common childhood diseases in order to attend, Christian Scientists cannot claim a religious exemption unless they are allowed to do so *by statute*. (In other words, they can be granted an exemption by the legislature, but the constitution does not by itself grant an exemption).

          • gimme a break

            f ham had medicinal powers of healing, showed preventative powers from contracting disease, and was included in other non-religious health plans I would hope my Jewish friends would be considerate of their gentile friends.

          • Chris

            Single mothers, single fathers, happily married couples, unhappily married couples, failing education, the war on drugs, easy access to guns, idiot kids, are just a few of those deserving of blame for gun violence

          • FaintCryofFreedom

            Your boneheaded distinction requires clarification: Catholic institutions are NOT supplying birth control. Healthcare insurance plans covering Catholics would then cover birth control & Catholics are saying it violates their religious beliefs to be forced to include BC coverage in their healthcare plans. Now does Obamacare make sense to you? Duh. Women don’t need some religious organization dictating to them on matters of family planning & reproduction. The reason why the ACA came into being was because of backwards religious beliefs -it removes them from this equation. And yes, I call them backwards because they insinuate religious beliefs into a discussion where they are NOT warranted & have no business being.

          • Janipurr

            The Catholic Institutions AREN’T supplying birth control! (In case you imagined a line of Nuns handing out packets of BC pills to all the employees.) The HEALTH INSURANCE companies that these institutions help pay for and which THE WOMEN THEMSELVES ALSO PAY FOR are paying for the BC. So BC is ALREADY paid for by these women through fees. Can we please stop saying “don’t make my religion pay for birth control”? And can we stop charging women more for insurance for having the preexisting condition called a vagina?

          • http://www.facebook.com/michael.turley.35 Michael Turley

            (4) It isn’t a zygote it is a HUMAN CHILD…..and at anyrate Obama promotes partial birth abortions which could never be classified as a zygote…..and finally when did anyone ever make the case that it is about CHOOSING the child/zygote over the Woman???….it is a false premise to begin with……more women die from botched abortions by far than risk their health in pregnancy….abortion isn’t a women’s health care issue, it is a child murder issue.

          • horrified by the repubs

            It’s not a human child. YET. In fact, in some times, there is nothing there, it is strictly preventative — to keep from having a fertilized egg implanted. You people would probably protest if the woman had used spermicide because horrors if the spermicide wasn’t used, those sperm may have produced a human child.

          • Whedon Activist

            You are officially my hero. I have seen people comment on some of those issues but no one has put it so succinctly

          • Gail

            Karen, your argument is surely not serious. When did the GOP ever say number 2 or 3? And a ‘zygote’ , otherwise known as a baby, is the weakest among us. So, yes, I will vote for the babies rights. And number 5 is nothing more than you hearing what you want to hear. I wish we could have intelligent discussions.

        • FaintCryofFreedom

          Did you not pay attention to what the GOP & TParty proposed as legislation, either in Congress (at the federal level) or in individual states’ legislatures…..??? How did you miss these things?

        • Katherine Walton

          What part of “controlling our fertility means controlling our lives” do you no understand?

    • A Little Voice From The Middle

      I am an independent, but I am having a hard time understanding why GOP has such bad image regarding women. Can you please be more specific? In what way did the GOP were insensitive to women’s issues? Are you referring to birth control?

      • http://www.facebook.com/bennett.schneider Bennett Schneider

        The writer is perhaps referring to the plethora of prominent Republican candidates arguing silly things, offensive things about Rape: “Women’s bodies have a way of shutting that thing down” as an argument why even aborting a zygote created by rape should be illegal and unavailable to women who suffered rape. The shaming of a woman who argued that if all non-Catholic employers provide insurance that covers birth control, that was only fair that her Catholic University employer do the same for it’s public employees. For positing this argument, members of the Senate and Right Media openly called her a “slut”.

      • http://www.facebook.com/bennett.schneider Bennett Schneider

        I forgot one: the GOP was also openly against the Lilly Ledbetter Law requiring equal pay for women working in the same jobs as their better paid male counter parts. Equal pay for equal work as GOP opposed.

        • Jack

          The Lilly Ledbetter Law was a sop to plaintiff’s attorneys, and will do zero or less than zero to provide women good jobs. Try again.

          • PissedOffAtIgnorance

            Stop being stupid.

          • Richard Gadsden

            The Lily Ledbetter Act is inadequate protection, but it’s ludicrous that a woman who is being paid less than a man cannot sue because she started work more than 180 days ago.

            The US needs a proper Equal Value law, which would grant all employees a right to equal pay for work of equal value, and require employers to operate audited single-status job evaluation schemes to demonstrate that they comply. That would remove fair pay from discrimination entirely – it’s not that men get paid more than women, it’s that citizens are treated unfairly by employers who don’t value their staff properly.

          • gfink2

            I don’t think these jerks (such as Jack, above) know ANYTHING about what the Lily Ledbetter act was supposed to do – all they know is what they were told it doesn’t do, so they could go around like good little minions with a stick up their behinds, condescending to those who dare talk about the bill at all. It was still a worthwhile bill even if it didn’t do what your talking point said it doesn’t do.

      • sharon a

        you’re kidding, right? Never heard Akin or mourdock? Never heard about forcing women to get an ultrasound before having an abortion?

      • free1thinker

        “A Little Voice..” where have you been for the past year? The GOP has shown insensitivity by saying women don’t get pregnant from “legitimate rape” as if all the women who became pregnant from rape were not legitimately raped. They have also introduced bills that would limit access to preventative healthcare such as annual gynecological exams and breast cancer screenings because they don’t like the fact that a major provider of these services for un- and under-insured and low income women also provides abortions. They fought Obamacare because it made employers cover birth control which, especially in the case of pills, have numerous uses other than birth control, including relief from dysmenorrhea, endometriosis, migraines, acne, PMS and can serve as a preventative measure against ovarian, colorectal and endometrial cancers. Further the GOP tried to pass a bill that would require any woman seeking an abortion to have an unnecessary and medically invasive procedure in order to be approved to have the abortion. I could go on and on but essentially the GOP has treated women as if they are incapable of making decisions regarding their health and their bodies and the GOP has talked a lot about small government while in actuality reserving a special place for government in-between a woman and her doctor.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=579802102 Wrenn Simms

        Their stance on birth control (not even abortion, just birth control methods, medical ones) is one.

        But I will tackle the bugaboo of abortion.

        It’s a matter of body autonomy. Who has control of my body, myself? or someone or something else? Do I not have the mental capacity to make the choices I wish to live with?

        There are many conflicting viewpoints as to ‘when’ a child is it’s own person in the womb. Traditional Judaic view was ‘first breath’. Current Judaic view is 40 days after conception.(This was, in fact, the view of the Christian church up through the middle ages, with a blip in the late 16th century —Pope Sixtus V to learn more) So saying ‘traditional judeo christian’ is a total misnomer when you say ‘at conception’. So… take out the ‘judeo’ part.

        And ‘life begins at conception’ ? Lets look at the ‘traditional christian’ and see if it fits. We know that became the doctrine in the catholic faith – Catholic Canon was changed in 1917. It was first stated by a pope in 1869 (Pope Pius IX. Apostolicae Sedis changed it from the pervious ‘delayed ensoulment’ tradition. He also tried to ram through a total ‘papal infallibility’ clause through Vatican I and failed. He’s also the one who stated, in 1866 that slavery was a necessity, and that it was totally in keeping with natural and divine law. Things to think about.)

        So ‘tradition’ of less than 100 years in the Catholic church.

        Lets look at the Protestants. Most of the mainstream protestant churches Presbyterians, Methodists, Lutherans, United Church of Christ – all, in 1970 and later, supported open and free access to abortion. (to be sure, others, including most Baptists, joined the Catholic viewpoint, but I think the above sects are significant). Though, since that time, many have modified their stance to be less liberal.

        So… ‘traditional’ ?

        I will end with another thought. Lets go back to the whole ‘body autonomy’ issue.

        Do you agree to allow the government to force a someone to give their kidney to another, because they are a perfect match, and because ‘without this that other person will die’…

        Do you agree that ‘to save another’s life’ is enough of a reason to force, as in against their will, a person to go through a health changing if not damaging and perhaps life threatening medical procedure not of their own choosing… because that is necessary to save the other person’s life…

        Why do you believe that women shouldn’t have such simple body autonomy?

        • tired.

          Not going to get into this one too much here, but I can’t let a few statements go. First, the traditional Judaic view was that if you injure a pregnant woman, and it injures or kills the fetus, then the penalty was the same as murder. Exodus 21:22-23. So the same value was placed on the pregnant woman’s fetus as any other life. Second, the reason for the change in the “traditional” stance is actually science. Before a hundred years ago or so, pregnancy was kind of a mystical thing. That is why “quickening,” when the woman could first feel the child, was used to determine if it was alive. Anymore, with medical technology improving, we know that movement and heart beat begin much earlier, so the idea of when life begins has moved forward accordingly. Conception is used by most because drawing a line is very difficult, so they use the hunter in the woods argument in order to be on the safe side. Being on the safe side of not ending a human life is usually a good idea. Finally, using the kidney argument is ludicrous. No human being is going to be able to survive alone for several years after birth. Neglecting a child then is a crime. Claiming that you are not responsible for starting the life inside you, except in cases of rape, is ridiculous. You are no less responsible then if you had carried it to term. And the kidney argument? wow. No, abortion is not like deciding you don’t want to be a kidney donor and letting the person die of natural causes, or let someone else donate. No, it would be more like saying, I don’t want to be a kidney donor and shooting the person. Abortion does not permit a life to end, it terminates, if you prefer more PC language. I am not anti-women’s rights. I am just in favor of protecting human life. You will likely violently disagree with me. I don’t care. I just couldn’t let some of those statements fly for my own sake. What you think is your business. I couldn’t give a fuck less.

          • JackHuang

            Sorry, but it’s about personhood, not life.

            “Conception is used by most because drawing a line is very difficult, so they use the hunter in the woods argument in order to be on the safe side.”
            That doesn’t fly. Most conceptions result in early-term miscarriages that women don’t even notice, yet such events aren’t counted as manslaughter. Heck, even later-term miscarriages plausibly due to health risks incurred by the woman’s activities aren’t considered manslaughter/murder/criminal negligence. I rather doubt you’d like them to be considered as such.

            “Claiming that you are not responsible for starting the life inside you, except in cases of rape, is ridiculous.”
            Using your “after conception, let’s legally call it a human life” claim, your implied rape exception says, in no uncertain terms: “committing murder is okay by me as long as the victim is the product of rape.” Have fun with that one.

            Of course, if you’re NOT advocating a rape exception to this whole “all post-conception abortion is murder” gig, have fun trying to rally support for your “I want to force women, under threat of criminal prosecution, to carry rape babies to term.” policy platform.

          • Morte

            JackHuang
            Naturally occurring miscarriage (as opposed to punching a woman in the stomach to cause one) is not a good example of manslaughter due to the fact that it is in and of itself a biologically naturally occurring event, as opposed to a voluntary action where something is actively acted upon by a person with varying degrees of intent.

            I don’t understand how distinguishing between life and personhood takes the conversation any further forward. Especially since things like animal, corporate, or other legal rights generally considered under the discussion of personhood, are in no way less contentious, than how we define “life” and all things imbued within the term.

            As for the rest – again, I don’t see how the ‘good luck’ statements helps move the conversation forward or carry us through to any resolutions around those subjects.

          • Fushi

            man·slaugh·ter/ˈmanˌslôtər/

            Noun:The crime of killing a human being without malice aforethought, or otherwise in circumstances not amounting to murder.

            Definition for first degree murder:

            Web definitions:Murder, as defined in common law countries, is the unlawful killing of another human being with “malice aforethought”, and…

            Technically natural abortions WOULD be considered manslaughter, while abortions would be first degree murder, if we accepted that personhood begins at conception.

          • horrified by the repubs

            a lot of women receive the morning after pill after a rape has taken place to prevent a pregnancy. anybody who wants to tell me that these women are now baby killers because they do not want a fertilized egg implanted in their womb really need to have their heads examined. Period. Done deal

          • free1thinker

            it’s interesting how this debate has grown so intense across religious factions in the U.S. when in the backyard of the Catholic Church HQ (Italy) nine in ten citizens nominally identify as Catholic, but codified in Italian law since 1981 is the right of its women to receive an abortion
            within 90 days of conception, without questions and free of charge. Women can also buy birth control and fill prescriptions for the morning-after pill at their local pharmacy, and by law, these pharmacies are required to acquiesce.

          • horrified by the repubs

            I didn’t know that. Thanks for sharing. In the US, there are a lot of pharmacists who will not even dispense the morning after pill because it is against their principles (I know because my daughter is a pharmacist and is horrified that any of her colleagues could refuse to fill a doctor’s prescription).

          • JackHuang

            “Naturally occurring miscarriage (as opposed to punching a woman in the stomach to cause one) is not a good example of manslaughter due to the fact that it is in and of itself a biologically naturally occurring event, as opposed to a voluntary action where something is actively acted upon by a person with varying degrees of intent.”

            Does this mean you’re okay with charging, say, a chain-smoking mother with involuntary manslaughter if the fetus dies of complications with well-established links to smoking? If not, your criticism is irrelevant.

            “I don’t understand how distinguishing between life and personhood takes the conversation any further forward.”

            “Life” is ambiguous to the point of meaninglessness. For example, a red blood cell counts as human “life,” as does a frozen embryo used for in vitro fertilization. Yet, neither are granted personhood, which is why we don’t condemn sucking a papercut as mass murder and label IVF clinics (which throw thousands of such embryos every year figuratively down the drain) as modern-day Auschwitzes. “Life” is, in this context, useful solely for the purpose of vapid emotional appeal and trite demonization. By the way, the latter example does double duty, clarifying “personhood” and simultaneously illustrating another example of the intellectually condescending absurdity of the so-called “pro-life” platform.

            “As for the rest – again, I don’t see how the ‘good luck’ statements helps move the conversation forward or carry us through to any resolutions around those subjects.”

            I’m not sure what “resolutions” you’re looking for, but I’d argue that “good luck” is a bit more generous that tired’s concluding sentences, and at least provides a thin invitation for rebuttal and threadbare encouragement for any sort of self-consistent action the original commenter most likely wasn’t considering in even the slightest way.

          • wendy

            First, the traditional Judaic view was that if you injure a pregnant woman, and it injures or kills the fetus, then the penalty was the same as murder.

            THAT IS ABSOLUTELY UNTRUE.

            For thousands of years, everybody understood Exodus 21:22 to say that if you assault a pregnant woman in such a way as to cause miscarriage, but the woman is otherwise unharmed, financial compensation is called for. The penalty is far less than would apply to the death of a human being. In the mid-1990′s, Evangelicals changed their translation of that passage in order to bring the scripture more in line with their political beliefs. As if late 20th-century American Christians are suddenly more knowledgeable about the Torah than millennia of Hebrew-speaking Jewish scholars.

            Jews are overwhelmingly pro-choice, even the Orthodox. Even the rabbis. Jews are also overwhelmingly in favor of contraception (and opposed to abstinence); if a couple already has as many kids as they feel they can take care of properly (physically, emotionally or financially), or if they’re trying to space their kids a few years apart, even the most extreme traditionalist rabbi will advise that the wife go on the pill (only hormonal birth control is orthodox-approved, barrier methods are contrary to halachic law). If a pregnancy is damaging to a woman’s health, or to her ability to care for the children she already has, the rabbi will advise an abortion. When the Catholic bishops say “shame about the woman, but we have to protect the innocent child”, Jews see as pursuer who’s threatening an innocent woman and she’s the one most deserving of protection.

        • Morte

          Not as “cut and dry” as defining as “woman and the autonomy she has over -her- body, only”

          Kidney analogy is flawed, insomuch as the mother, except in the case of rape, actively participated in the creation the other human-being, who incidentally happens to reside within her womb. She has created another life as a direct result of her action. Also, as a side point, because the child is wholly dependent upon the mother for sustenance does not mean that the child IS the mother in this sense. Meaning: the child is not “the mother’s body” – it is an independent being.

          Therefore, the question is more accurately described as such: Does this afford the mother the right to take that life within her (“I brought you into this world, I can take you out”)? Can the mother kill her child? Put another way: under what circumstances is this ethically acceptable? For instance, “mercy killing” and/or “health/survivability of the mother” are common justifications. So what defines these? In the case of the “mercy killing”, because a mother is too young or poor to adequately care for the child, should the child be killed to prevent future suffering of both mother/child and prevent a drain the societal resources? The problem is that the definitions for “what justifiably constitutes too poor, young, or otherwise ‘equipped for parenthood’” are too subjective to properly define to justify the utter destruction of a life, as is who is qualified to define the definitions.

          Furthermore, is the mother more so justified to terminate her child inside the womb than outside? What affords her that right? Is it the fact that the child is underdeveloped / more venerable? How about if the child is fully developed outside the womb but mentally disabled and unable to defend its’ position? These are the types of ethical considerations that distinguish between “murder” (which we collectively find acceptable to legislate) and something else. That and the absence/presence of malicious intent. ..but what if mother is malicious in her intent (shudder to think but yes – there are people like that)? Assuming morals are a factor at all, is it somehow morally justifiable that she has a ‘free pass’ to maliciously take the life because the law is presently in her favor? Justice then becomes diminished.

          Foregoing middle-age thought and examining from a modern perspective: a) Assuming that a fetus is an independent being (and removing the mother from the discussion in this hypothetical example) – let’s say it was floating in space (and hypothetically able to survive the vacuum of space – think: 2001: A Space Odyssey <j/k) or it was discovered on Mars, how might we approach the discovery of that life? Would we split hairs that because it hasn't taken a breath, it's not a sentient or potentially sentient life-form and we are justified in destroying it? What about whether or not it has a heartbeat or some other definition of sentient life that we ascribe? Because it cannot communicate nor does it have the intellectual or physical capacity to defend itself – How does that lend to ethical validity of the termination? After all, a human child will likely have that defense ability in the future anyhow – it just doesn't in early life.

          So we legally consider children to be dependent until they reach 18 or 21 for various legal restrictions so if, like a fetus, they can't fully grasp the concepts of life and death, and the same financial / societal burdens that we've considered earlier (above) apply at the age of, say (arbitrarily), 3 yrs old – NOW can we strike them down? Why not / what's the difference? That they can walk, breath, talk, raise their hand in self-defense, or look you in the eye, does not afford them the intellectual capacity to understand self / mortality as a "legal adult" so why are they allowed to live and a underdeveloped child (in the womb) is not?

          We could go on to examine (over)population's impact on resources, eugenics, etc, and extrapolate but while I know I don't have all the answers, I take issue with folks defining the discussion as -purely- the mother's right to 'her body'. ..and my point is: if you acknowledge that there's independent life there at all, how we define "life" and legislation, particularly how we define acceptable circumstances / rights to end a life, are fairly 'hairy' and subjective.

          Being as I've observed the humans capacity for savagery, I like to err on the side of the preservation of life in legislation. So does making abortion illegal achieve that goal? That's another question, isn't it? We could discuss that at length, I suppose, but I would generalize heavily to ask: Does making murder illegal achieve its' goal?

          • Guest

            ADDENDUM: WOW! I don’t know what happened there but here is the rest of my post that this tool “chopped up”

            A Space Odessey <kidding) or it was discovered on Mars, how might we approach the discovery of that life? Would we split hairs that because it hasn't taken a breath, it's not a sentient or potentially sentient life-form and we are justified in destroying it? What about whether or not it has a heartbeat or some other definition of sentient life that we ascribe? Because it cannot communicate nor does it have the intellectual or physical capacity to defend itself – How does that lend to ethical validity of the termination? After all, a human child will likely have that defense ability in the future anyhow – it just doesn't in early life.

            So we legally consider children to be dependent until they reach 18 or 21 for various legal restrictions so if, like a fetus, they can't fully grasp the concepts of life and death, and the same financial / societal burdens that we've considered earlier (above) apply at the age of, say (arbitrarily), 3 yrs old – NOW can we strike them down? Why not / what's the difference? That they can walk, breath, talk, raise their hand in self-defense, or look you in the eye, does not afford them the intellectual capacity to understand self / mortality as a "legal adult" so why are they allowed to live and a underdeveloped child (in the womb) is not?

            We could go on to examine (over)population's impact on resources, eugenics, etc, and extrapolate but while I know I don't have all the answers, I take issue with folks defining the discussion as -purely- the mother's right to 'her body'. ..and my point is: if you acknowledge that there's independent life there at all, how we define "life" and legislation, particularly how we define acceptable circumstances / rights to end a life, are fairly 'hairy' and subjective.

            Being as I've observed the humans capacity for savagery, I like to err on the side of the preservation of life in legislation. So does making abortion illegal achieve that goal? That's another question, isn't it? We could discuss that at length, I suppose, but I would generalize heavily to ask: Does making murder illegal achieve its' goal?

        • Morte

          ADDENDUM: WOW! I don’t know what happened with this thing but it won’t let me delete the post .. here’s the rest though:

          A Space Odyssey ..just kidding) or it was discovered on Mars, how might we approach the discovery of that life? Would we split hairs that because it hasn’t taken a breath, it’s not a sentient or potentially sentient life-form and we are justified in destroying it? What about whether or not it has a heartbeat or some other definition of sentient life that we ascribe? Because it cannot communicate nor does it have the intellectual or physical capacity to defend itself – How does that lend to ethical validity of the termination? After all, a human child will likely have that defense ability in the future anyhow – it just doesn’t in early life.

          So we legally consider children to be dependent until they reach 18 or 21 for various legal restrictions so if, like a fetus, they can’t fully grasp the concepts of life and death, and the same financial / societal burdens that we’ve considered earlier (above) apply at the age of, say (arbitrarily), 3 yrs old – NOW can we strike them down? Why not / what’s the difference? That they can walk, breath, talk, raise their hand in self-defense, or look you in the eye, does not afford them the intellectual capacity to understand self / mortality as a “legal adult” so why are they allowed to live and a underdeveloped child (in the womb) is not?

          We could go on to examine (over)population’s impact on resources, eugenics, etc, and extrapolate but while I know I don’t have all the answers, I take issue with folks defining the discussion as -purely- the mother’s right to ‘her body’. ..and my point is: if you acknowledge that there’s independent life there at all, how we define “life” and legislation, particularly how we define acceptable circumstances / rights to end a life, are fairly ‘hairy’ and subjective.

          Being as I’ve observed the humans capacity for savagery, I like to err on the side of the preservation of life in legislation. So does making abortion illegal achieve that goal? That’s another question, isn’t it? We could discuss that at length, I suppose, but I would generalize heavily to ask: Does making murder illegal achieve its’ goal?

      • http://twitter.com/ltheghost BossmanL

        The whole talking about rape and rape babies could be seen as insensitive. Insensitive and flat out stupid for men to continue talking about it in the national discourse. Legitimate Rape? Rape pregnancies are gifts from God? Yeah…flat out stupid.

      • http://twitter.com/ltheghost BossmanL

        And lets not get into what Rush Limbaugh said about Sandra Fluke.

        • Craig Mack

          EXACTLY! You have every right to disagree with Ms. Fluke, but to speak about her in the terms that Limbaugh used is inexcusable. And the relative silence of the GOP after his gaffe was also telling…

      • http://www.facebook.com/tamar.bloomfield Tamar Bloomfield

        You have got to be kidding! When Rush Limbaugh went on a three day bullying rant, repeatedly calling (as in over seventy times) Sandra Fluke a whore for having the nerve to express her opinion on access to birth control it was a wake up call to a lot of women. The GOP was not only in favor of reducing women’s access to birth control and medical attention, they also wanted women to JUST SHUT UP. GOP leaders had every chance to repudiate Rush’s behavior and lies, but they wimped out——Romney was the most pathetic of them all. “Those we’re not the words I would have chosen,” indeed!

      • http://www.facebook.com/evelyn.white.52 Evelyn White

        See all of the above. You can read…… can’t you?

      • thinker

        It is primarily how they are portrayed by the media. Both the Republicans and the Democrats have some stupid members that say stupid things. Sadly it seems to be the stupid things said by the Republicans that fills up all of the air time. Also it has to do with peoples’ ignorance of the difference between healthcare and health insurance. And also their ignorance of the major factors driving these costs up.

    • JR

      I am curious. Just what do you think the GOP’s position on Women’s issues were?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Stannous-Flouride/567422532 Stannous Flouride

    I’m a descendant of a Signer and middle-aged white guy who loves my former Eritrean mail carrier and his Burmese replacement, both of whom came here as teen political refugees and worked hard and went to school and on a day they both have spoken about with pride, they raised their right hands and swore an oath and allegiance and became genuine Americans, every bit as much as you or I or my ancestor Robert Morris. By turning their backs on immigrants (regardless of their legality) the GOP turns its back on what makes the US of A great.

    Our ancestors wouldn’t recognize the place and in a couple of hundred years, neither would we. I like that idea.

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      Stannous, I love your story about your mail carriers, and I have some of my own. I am a professional musician on the side, and I played afro-cuban music primarily for years in Washington DC. I met several people who came to the United States without proper authorization. Generally, I don’t approve of that because a nation needs to define its borders for many reasons. But I’ve seen these people from Latin America do whatever it took to work their asses off, working extra jobs, just to pay shady immigration lawyers so they could STAY and become legal. And years later, I’m see pictures of my friends in their suits with little flags in front of the Courthouse, smiling from ear to ear because they are my countrymen now. Whose heart is not warmed by that.

      I like the idea of our assumptions dying with us. More than 200 years from now, I’ll kick it up even further. I hope that when my son William is 33, in thirty years, he and his friends think I am ridiculous and out of touch. Likely, I will be. I hope he and his contemporaries take over from us and lead based on their more vibrant and realistic view of the world. Lord knows in 2042 I’ll still be quoting Star Wars and playing Kurt Cobain songs on guitars, or whatever, totally out of touch. Time will move forward.

      And in this moment, time is moving on.

      • bsaunders

        I read a great piece by George Will where he argues not for accepting illegal immigration wholesale but for understanding it with more empathy as essentially an entrepreneurial act.

        • http://twitter.com/SharonLockwood8 Sharon Lockwood

          First smart thing I’ve ever heard from him and it has to be REALLY smart.

      • Jon Husband

        IMHO being smart and aware will ensure that you are never really ‘out of touch’. Basic human values remain more or less the same over time, as does their impact on how we live and how we ought to live. Just one man’s opinion ..

      • margieR

        My daughter is 23. Her friends voted Democratic and I suspect most of her age group did. They appreciate our Constitution and want this country to keep that document in effect. She told me that Obama would win,( even when the national polls said differently) because the twenty somethings were mostly on his side, and she was right.

    • Economy-is-National-Security

      Exactly where is this notion that the GOP turns its back on what makes the USA great? Proof? The GOP firmly believes in immigration. LEGAL immigration. All the GOP wants is secure borders BEFORE some huge amnesty bill is passed, thus encouraging MORE people to come illegally over the border, doubling down on the problem. Back in the 80′s, Reagan agreed to an Amnesty with the understanding that the borders would be secured. They never were. It was a lie and he was duped. California, Texas, Arizona are all paying the price with tremendous issues surrounding the flooding of their social services with people who jumped the line to get here. We are indeed a nation of immigrants, and God Bless every one of them. But this notion of wanting our laws to be observed, wanting those who come here to respect OUR laws, respect OUR society, respect OUR language can somehow make us “mean spirited” or “racist” really defies logic. How many other countries print their BALLOTS in several languages so people who have no clue can vote in their elections? How is someone who can’t speak our language supposed to understand the nuance of our politics and have an educated say? And why people expect us to turn ourselves inside out to accommodate illegal immigrants, is wrongheaded and completely unsustainable. Secure the borders, THEN and ONLY THEN create a pathway to citizenship for those who are here. Welcome to America. Anything else is simply another case of Lucy holding the football like in the 1980′s, and we’re right back here in 20 years. That’s not mean-spirited or turning our back on anything. It’s common sense.

      Ohhhh, could it be that this problem isn’t solved because the Democrat party doesn’t want it solved? Why would that be? Maybe because there is also the fact that over 70% of these immigrants end up supporting Democrat politicians because of their pandering to the ‘illiegal’ constituency? So if I can guarantee I have an influx of people who support my party, and all I have to do is sit on my hands to let it happen, why would I care about solving a problem? The answer is in the evidence: they don’t, because they do, and it will be a cold day in hell when we actually get a secure Southern border.

      Eff american politics. I’m so disheartened.

      One more thing. I’m a social liberal, but a fiscal conservative. Nowhere above in the article or comments has anyone commented on the single biggest national security issue confronting this nation: that is our out of control federal spending, the budget deficit and the 16 TRILLION dollar debt that is on it’s way to $24 TRILLION if spending continues at the same rate. We are rapidly approaching the point at which we will never be able to pay back the debt, at which time we’re screwed.

      How much longer will the world accommodate us printing our own money, screwing them by diluting what we owe them? How much longer will the world allow us to be the reserve currency? When they decide they’ve had enough, we can no longer print money to temporarily and artificially hold things together — we’re stuck with hyperinflation. Taken another way, how long can you screw your neighbors before they get fed up?

      I care about women. I care about the environment. I care about gays. All of them. But frankly, women, trees and gays are a hell of a lot less important to me than the sustainability of this society, and the inevitable COLLAPSE of our economy and government if real change is not invoked YESTERDAY. To me, you’re all quibbling about nothing. My kids (and YOUR kids) are going to inherit Greece, and you’re worrying about who pays for birth control. Unbelievable. I just don’t think most of you understand the magnitude of the problem, because if you did, you’d be treating it with the importance it deserves instead of quibbling about these *distant* secondary and tertiary issues. Does anyone realize just how fucking fucked we are? Does anyone care that Obama has not provided ANY leadership on this issue, and that his answer to every problem is to spend more money we don’t have????? What in his last four years gives you ANY indication he has a competent vision for how to handle the economic problems that face us? And don’t say that he had solutions but the GOP blocked him. The only bill he submitted was bipartisanly rejected because it was such a meaningless stinker. Truth is, he had control of the whole government for two years, and two thirds of it for the other two years, and chose instead to ram healthcare down our throats. I don’t think Governor Romney could solve the problem. It will take many elections of strong-willed, independent and principled leaders who truly love this country and seek to heal her. BUT, I strongly believe he and Ryan would have slowed it down so we could catch our breath, and for that reason, the MOST IMPORTANT reason, I voted for him. And for that reason, I think y’all are missing the boat.

      • Curious

        How exactly is the Romney/Ryan non-plan including tax cuts and increased defense spending going to slow down the problem?

      • Don’t vote with blind faith

        I, too, am a social liberal and fiscal conservative, but I fail to see the logic behind voting for a platform (GOP ) that has no definitive blue print. Particularly when that platform is uncompromising and in recent history has been so deleterious. We need more moderate conservatives who stand for what they believe in, but are not swayed by ill guided right extremists. As Eric/Louise pointed out, this year’s GOP campaign had focused severely on non-issues (which you also point out). But when asked for fiscal details, the GOP severely underwhelmed me with their “vote me in now, and I’ll tell you later” stance. No sound person votes for an incomplete proposal. Even when asked for a revised proposal, the GOP had nothing to add.

      • http://twitter.com/ShelTurtlestein Judy Denmark

        “Women, trees and gays are a hell of a lot less important to me than the sustainability of this society”

        Well, I fundamentally disagree. I’d much rather live in a country that is poor but respectful than a rich country who stands for bullying and bigotry. What’s the point of living in a super-rich country that hates its citizens? Those issues are the most important because they speak to who we are as people. But way to try to defend your misogyny and bigotry! Also, I hate to break it to you… the economy is irrelevant if we don’t have trees. There’s a whole oxygen thing you should probably Google.

        Hilarious to me that you included women in that, btw. Hate to break it to you, but we’re the majority and we’re not going away. And our tiny, pea-sized brains might one day squeak out a thought or two.

      • JackHuang

        So, let me see if I’ve got this straight…

        You start off with a grand rant about how Democrats’ core constituency is illegal immigrants, and that the GOP totally cares about all legal immigrants. Never mind the fact that the GOP routinely uses racist rhetoric in policy exhortations that have NOTHING TO DO WITH IMMIGRATION. But hey, this Democrat love-in for illegal immigration somehow makes you hate all of American politics (which the GOP is a big part of).

        Then, after a throwaway line about caring about (and I paraphrase) “women, trees, gays, blah blah blah, whatevs”, you claim that, ACTUALLY, f— the social issue that you just spent a couple of paragraphs firebreathing about, the economy is a much bigger problem. Yet, even though you supposedly consider the economy the ultimate problem with America today, you don’t bother to take the time to actually understand what the national debt means (No, it’s not a national security issue whose seriousness crudely scales proportional to dollar amount, and no, in case this is where your logic there came from, China doesn’t own the US.) and what actually incurs hyperinflation (A nation whose currency is still the world reserve currency is somehow totally on the brink of Reichmark-esque hyperinflation? Are you f—ing serious?). On top of this, you believe that an economic policy which is barely more complex than “let’s lower rich people’s taxes, loosen restrictions on Wall Street, and wood-chipper whatever gov’t social program I can name at the moment while I’m on stage right now” will, somehow, delay this alleged economic apocalypse to such an extent that anyone who: 1. cares about anything else, and/or 2. cares about this but disagrees with your “assessment,” is a monumental imbecile.

        Have I got that more or less correct?

        • horrified by the repubs

          yeah. If he is a social liberal, I will eat my hat.

      • horrified by the repubs

        I am a social liberal and a fiscal conservative as well. I hesitate to say as well, because you don’t seem to realize that Obama’s “spending” as you call it is not out of control. Read the facts.

      • horrified by the repubs

        Oh. and Obama did NOT have control of the whole government for two years as you put it … he had control for basically 60 days. That was it. Look it up.

  • Dana Carpender

    D00d, you an Alden descendant? I’m one, too — and a white,
    upper-middle-class, self-employed, property-and-investment-owning
    Democrat. Nice to be a very, very distant cousin.

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      Dude, we’re related! Can I borrow some money? Too soon?

      Thanks for reading.

      • Morri

        lmao

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Simon-Holden/684036856 Simon Holden

    The hilarious thing about the Republicans is that they keep saying that they need to “more effectively sell their message” to the new demographics of the country. Bullshit! They need to CHANGE their message because that’s what a majority of the country voted against. And most of those who voted FOR Republicans did so because they always vote Republican by rote. Obama’s version of Democratic policy is actually very conservative. I would like to see his second term much more progressive and Liberal!

    • http://twitter.com/gshevlin gshevlin

      That is the second stage of denial after “We Lost?. Stage 2 is “there’s nothing wrong with our policies, we just have to sell them better”. The reality that their policies might be a pile of bovine excrement is something that they are unwilling to examine as a possibility.

  • http://www.facebook.com/hhasbrook Harmony Hasbrook

    Wow. Not a single troll here. Wonderful. I am getting so weary of reading wonderful, soul bearing articles, only to have my buzz killed, by ridiculous point-missers.

    The one thing I think that needs addressing is the mystifying wonder of people actually subscribing to the GOP messaging. I have friends and loved ones who bought it hook line and sinker. It can’t be education, or gender, or class because I have college educated women friends from many different cities and income levels who actually think the GOP can fix the economy, and that is more important to them than any other issue. What could it be? Poisoned water?

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      We have our first troll now! Scroll down!

    • amethystlady2

      Harmony, I too have loved ones who seem to have closed their minds and ears, and hearts, to anything BUT the GOP…Having been raised in an almost fanatical Republican family, I learned after being AWAY from home….many miles and listening with my head and brain,that I didn’t follow that way of thinking at all, I am positive that today’s Republicans are NOT what my parents were…my parents were not hate-filled people…they were both college educated…and devout Catholic….but today’s GOP certainly is no longer Grand. I have voted for the Democrats since I think around the 80′s, and never have voted a straight ticket until THIS year. Reading Eric’s piece gave me the courage to say, I am appalled at the hate vented towards Barack Obama…who is a kind, gentle, man who was obviously taught love and kindness, if not by his mother, completely, then certainly by his grandmother….I feel the tears he shed in Iowa, and in Illinois, are the tears he has held back with all of the hateful words and actions that the right has slung at him since day one in office…I would HOPE they have learned that WE the American people, WANT President Obama to succeed, despite them! Great article, Eric.

    • James DoubleU

      For the older ones, it’s probably habit. For some, possibly fear? Or they hook on to one thing that is really irrelevant to the election but seems important to them. To me, the Republicans seem to be more about harping on things that aren’t connected to politics, or aren’t in any danger of changing no matter who is in power.

    • bsaunders

      The idea that the GOP will fix the economy seems one of the most misguided notions of all. In particular, as Eric mentioned, the problems with the individual health insurance market prevent people from starting small businesses, limit their ability to find talent for/work for new businesses, and have probably sent some small businesses over the cliff because the owner or a key worker got ill. That alone, to me, reflects a serious disconnect over how to get the economy going by “helping small business.”

    • http://profiles.google.com/gurnemanz Tom Barclay

      Harmony, I don’t mean this to be in any way invidious – but I think some of us are born more fearful than others. There was some research lately showing some newborns possessed of a bigger ‘startle reflex’ than most. In later life, they tend toward the authoritarian side. In other words, ‘Born This Way,’ but not in the Lady GaGa sense.

    • MargieR

      They believe that the Republican Party can fix the economy, because they don’t know their recent history. (History since just before the Great Depression).

  • http://www.facebook.com/TroubleMan1971 Steven Lacey

    This is the best thing I have read about the current state of the Republican Party in quite some time. Very well said, sir.

  • http://www.facebook.com/matthewbird76 Matthew Bird

    Great great article. My wife is not politically savvy, she’s an OBGYN physician out in OFallon / St Charles. she’s like you, affluent, career orientated, kids, big suburban mcMansion, white picket fence. everything the GOP could want and then some. but she heard Akin talk about legitimate rape and federal student loans (which helped her attend at Drury and KCUMB to become what she is now) and thought screw this, he’s obviously insane and voted Obama and McCaskill in a straight party ticket.

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      WAIT – an OB/GYN thought Akin’s comments were enough to dishearten her about the entire party’s commitment to logic? Very curious.

      • http://krisbunda.com/blog Designer_Rants

        The guy sits on the congressional science committee and doesn’t understand the basics of human reproductive biology. Plus, he’s a prick who’s been arrested 8 times for harassing women outside of Planned Parenthood clinics. When my girlfriend (now wife) and I were poor teenagers, we could not afford to go any other place than our local PP to be tested for STD before committing to each other (the responsible thing to do). Planned Parenthood is for health, and it’s for poor people, and it deserves almost none of the “meanness” these zealots heap upon it.

        Enjoyable essay!

        • A Little Voice From The Middle

          “Poor teenagers,”…why would teenagers have sex for goodness sake????

          • A Little Voice From The Middle

            “Planned Parenthood is for health, and it’s for poor people, and it deserves almost none of the “meanness” these zealots heap upon it.”
            Planned parenthood (the real planned parenthood) is what all responsible people need to do. There are lots of ways to go about it, not just through birth control. It is a sad thing that this country had almost made it a crime to be a virgin at age 18. Just saying.

          • http://www.facebook.com/karen.davis.9256 Karen Davis

            You are aware that the Red States have the highest teen pregnancy rates in the country? You’re a troll, aren’t you?

          • wendy

            Are you of the mistaken belief that abortion, contraceptives, and Planned Parenthood are only of interest to the very young and single? Women in their 20′s, 30′s, and even 40′s are in need of such things, and many can’t afford private physicians. When you say “there are lots of ways to go about it, not just through birth control” I assume you’re talking about abstinence… which is a pretty disgusting thing to suggest for a 30-year-old married woman.

          • horrified by the repubs

            don’t you realize that you shouldn’t be having sex if you can’t afford to take care of every little egg that you may fertilize? Because you know, we shouldn’t infringe on the catholic church’s right to impose their religious freedom on everybody. snort.

          • A Little Voice From The Middle

            I guess I still want to believe that I can live in an ideal world where if we practice a little self- discipline and self- control we can do lots of things the natural way. My point is that, since it is a convenience for me to use BC, I do not mind paying for it and I do not need the government or other people to pay for it. I am not referring to BC being used for medical reasons, btw.

          • Paula

            I don’t think this country came anywhere close to making it a crime to be a virgin at 18, unless you live somewhere other than America. Crazymerica or something. Because laws against virginity aren’t a real thing.

          • howard mccain

            for the same reason anyone else would, but more so

          • http://krisbunda.com/blog Designer_Rants

            *Meanwhile, on Planet Earth, teenagers are having sex*

          • JackHuang

            Seriously, people, why can’t teenagers see sex solely as the reproductive duty that the rest of us are sensible enough to see it as? Silly teenagers. Doubly silly if they decided to be poor, too.

          • http://krisbunda.com/blog Designer_Rants

            *Meanwhile, on Planet Earth, teenagers are having sex*

      • horrified by the repubs

        I am sure that she was on the fence. But her husband obviously was not on the fence, and when she heard Akin talk and then the double down, it all clicked into place.

  • http://www.facebook.com/richard.contreras.73113 Richard Contreras

    Eric,I’m not a republican or democrat and I’ve voted across partylines in the past until this year,when I swore I would not vote for another republican politician for a long time,because of the stalling that this congress has done to keep the economy from going forward and blaming the president and others for it.The day after the election,our local congressman,Kevin McCarthy (republican) wasted no time blaming the House of Reps for stalling and that he was eager to work with both parties to get things moving(pass some laws finally).He should of done this a year ago when the reps took over congress. No offense but most of the republicans I meet are very closed minded and will not sway or listen to reason,unable to compromise as though they were brainwashed.So,I was shocked when I read your essay.I had no idea that there are republicans who think like you do.I believe that the GOP will eventually get a backbone and change or break away from the Tea Party in the future,which is a shame because I had high hopes for the Tea Party,American Independents and others to take this country in a more positive direction,but they spout the same rhetoric as their constituants but with greater hate and ignorance than their predicessor.
    I have one last thing to say,if there are more republican politicians that think like you,I will vote for them,infact if there are,I won’t vote for another democrat.Thank you for enlightening me.

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      Thanks Richard – the two-party system is the real problem. We need to get back to listening to the person, not the platform.

    • KarenJ

      Richard Contreras, your local congressman Kevin McCarthy was one of those Republican House and Senate leaders who met with Frank Luntz and Newt Gingrich the night of Obama’s inauguration Jan. 20, 2009, and plotted to sabotage the US economy in order to undermine the Obama presidency and turn Americans against him. The hoped-for result would be the GOP taking back complete control in 2012.

      http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/08/1098434/-Eric-Cantor-Paul-Ryan-Kevin-McCarthy-Plot-To-Sabotage-US-Economy-with-Frank-Luntz

      I can’t speak for you, but for me Kevin McCarthy and others of his ilk will have to do a lot of progressive bipartisan business in Congress before I’d trust them an iota.

  • Geno

    Beautiful! May I come and work for you, sir? Do you have any use for a middle-aged former radio announcer? (I could voice commercials for you, actually.)

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      I need somebody to provide live funk music for me as I strut down the street. Email is in the contact field above.

  • http://www.facebook.com/codyfdavis Cody Davis

    This. Is. Fucking. Brilliant. Thanks :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/richard.stupidhead Richard Stupidhead

    a very interesting voice, we need more of these

  • Larry

    Eric..Let me start with the Economy : the day Obama took office the Dems controlled the House of Reps for 64 of the prior 78 years. 40 straight at one point. Democrat Pilots Dodd and Frank flew Fannie and Freddie into a mountain. Sending the World markets into free fall. Both organizations run by a list of ex- Clinton cronies. The Economy is in rubble and the middle class is under that rubble. Obama made it much worse. Both parties deserve blame, but for a moment break free from patting yourself on the back and open your eyes to those crazy inconvenient things called facts. The Wars. The Clinton’s, Gore, Pelosi, Kerry, Kennedy, Reid and hundreds of Democrat Congressional members all boasted the USA needed to go into Iraq and disarm Hussein using MILITARY FORCE if necessary. At the time, George Bush was Governor of Texas. Question- If Bill Clinton had taken Bin Laden out via the 3 golden opportunities he had, would there have been a 9-11 attack ? A need for ‘War’ ? All that education of yours- you’ll figure that one out methinks. The Election. Obama won for several reasons. First and foremost he represents the . To deny this is either hyper P.C. or completely politically ignorant. I have concluded you are both. People hopping southern border fences a few years ago are changing the outcome of Presidential Elections today. Would you consider ? If illegal aliens one day would Vote 90% Republican as they now do for the Democrat Party- in 6 months flat you would see electrified fences along the southern border thousands of miles long and 50 feet high. A satellite defense system armed with laser beams picking off any champion fence climbers…..trenches with crocodiles… and machine gun nests atop the fence every 50 yards armed by certified card carrying left wing loony tune Liberals. Each nest could be named after a different Main Stream Media personality. Tongue in cheek but not too far off. Obama also won re-election because the Liberal Media has ZERO curiosity in Democrat scandals. Fast and Furious is an Impeachable Offense. 300+ dead so far. Amer-Mexican Treaties broken. The media has no interest, knowing this baby goes all the way to the top of the Administration. Not a soul stubbed a toe in Watergate- and it took down a Presidency. If Obama were a Republican he would have faced a thousand microphones EVERY DAY the last 12 months up to the election. “No comment” or “Sorry- I declared Executive Privilege” would have been met by “Journalists” turning into a pack of hyenas, and rightfully so. Fast and Furious stories 24/7. The Media would have had endless Interviews with families of the victims. The Libya scandal. Not a peep out of the Media. Fantastic corruption and cover up. Being a staunch Republican lol – I bet you’re as outraged as I am. Science. Greetings from the 13th Century. Man made global warming is the greatest fraud perpetrated on the masses- ever. Utter nonsense. The entire population of the human race could fit in Rhode Island. So much for over-population. We are a mere speck on the Planet. Check all those fraudulent “Pro Global Warming” emails and put that education of yours to work. 20,000 years ago Manhattan was under a mile of ice. No F150′s or back yard barbeques back then. What melted the ice ? In Geological time- 20K years is the blink of an eye. “Hottest temperature since 1877.” What was going on in 1877 that made it so hot ? “Most snow since 1903.” Perhaps the Wright Bros caused all that snow back then. Man made global warming is a fraud. Gay Marriage. The Law says : Change the Law or obey it. The sign says 55 on the highway. Because I want it to say 75 never works when explaining to the State Trooper. If people DO NOT want to change the Law- maybe they have a damn good reason. In closing….the GOP lost the election because we have reached the tipping point of 50%…50% or more of people not paying Federal Income Tax and those receiving goodies from the will NEVER EVER vote for the other guy who wants to clean the mess up. Any threat to their gravy train coming to a halt is met with what we witnessed Tuesday night. Obama certainly got other voters also. The PC guilt ridden white Liberal vote ( that would be you Eric ), the young gullible student Vote- hoping for Free tuition and loans forgiven, etc….Need I even mention the Black vote ? Obama could eat puppies for breakfast on youtube and still get 95% of the decimated black family vote. With your education- you can figure out why. Obama also got the money laundering / Union Vote. To hell with Country- keep the Train rolling. The Democrat Party had made victim groups for 50 years and expand on them every day. A built in permanent, dependent electorate. Outrageous. With all that education you missed that ? Shame on your Professors. Let’s continue this when I am not so pressed for time…I could go on for hours making mince meat of your hissy fit…After you have your rant on how insensitive and Un- PC I am- please refute one word.

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      Hi Larry, thanks for writing in.

      I’m not trying to convince you of anything. I am pointing out that your narrative is only accessible to enough people for a minority voice in politics. That’s why you lost so badly Tuesday, and when you look at local state, and Senatorial elections in addition to the presidential, the Republicans got destroyed on a historic level.

      The point of the piece is not to refute your inane, self-serving, paranoid, ill-informed worldview – it is to indicate, ostensibly to a political strategist, that they have abandoned the demographic of educated white voters that are the key to winning elections. You clearly don’t know what this means, but somebody bundling PAC money should.

      But Larry! Don’t change a thing! You’re great the way you are! Many people are quite comfortable with you not winning elections. So keep it up!

      All the best.

      • MTishere

        wow. I don’t agree with you, Eric, and I don’t agree with a lot of people posting here. Sorry.

        • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

          You don’t agree that this is my personal story about disliking your political party? So: You’re saying I DO like your party? I’m not married? That Todd Akin’s view on biology turns off my wife who is a doctor? I’m confused.

          OHHH – my conclusion makes you uncomfortable! Of course! That’s different. It should make you very uncomfortable. Because it means you will need to change your attitude or lose political power for good. I wouldn’t like it either!

          Thanks for writing in.

        • Cathwithac

          Me either MTishere. Eric’s thoughts are a joke. Check out Larry’s read. That is fact filled!

          • KarenJ

            To quote an overused acronym of the RWNJs, “LOL”.

            It’s pointless to attempt to refute any of Larry’s fact-free assertions or his friends who are chiming in “me either”. They apparently aren’t familiar with or do not believe the dozens of debunktions for their favorite issues, but we knew that — we’ve been reading their RW copy-and-pasting parroting for many months now.

            Larry, you and your sore loser friends are merely a source of amusement now, but one that needs to be watched carefully, because one of you just may decide to “act out” your inane (I might add the “s” later) worldview.

      • Larry

        Eric Garland, The Pro Abortion, Man Made Global Warming, Pro Union, Pro Illegal Immigration, Pro Gay Marriage, Anti- Business, Anti-Military, voted for Obama twice Republican ? Utter nonsense.

        • Linda

          Let me guess, Otto – you’re “prolife” — but don’t believe in exceptions for the woman’s life, yes?

          *snik*

      • Larry

        Eric lol ! You didnt refute one word. How could you ? 1 round knock out. Typical liberal. Once removed from your echo chamber and faced with opposing views you curl up in a ball and suck your thumb. One last thing- your patting yourself on the back is obnoxious. It’s probably the one thing everyone in here would agree on. Good grief man, it’s unseemly. As for losing elections….2010 was a colossal victory against Liberalism- yes ? Why ? Local elections. Hundreds of them went GOP. Be careful what you wish for. There is a HUGE financial Asteroid coming and it will be on Obama’s watch. the Statute Of Limitations has run out on “BUSH DID IT”……At least in January, when Obama is sworn in again- when he says “I inherited an economic nightmare from the prior 4 years” we can all agree with him. Eric the Republican bwhahahahahaa. God I hate spineless people.

        • http://www.facebook.com/jay.sturdevant.3 Jay Sturdevant

          typical, someone who points out how irrelevant and out of touch the Republicans have become and all the knuckle-draggers can do is accuse the messenger of being a liberal for not subscribing to their flat-earth, old testament, dead end ideology

        • http://twitter.com/gshevlin gshevlin

          Thanks for blundering into this discussion and proving the underlying truth of many of Eric’s points.

        • amethystlady2

          Knock Knock !! Hello, Larry? You need help, son….seriously…Eric answered you…but I understand…you didn’t get his answer because of your low intelligence…I feel sorry for you…sort of…but not enough to do anything but chuckle at your ignorance…47% my A$$ Try living on $113 a month from Social Security withOUT any handouts from any government agency…simply because I worked in the 2nd half of my working life, for various government entities…all run by ….TA DA …. elected Republicans! And thanks to your St. Ronald, my SS benefits are taken away….completely…and also my husbands, should he die before me…
          It might be wise for you to stop touting your party here…because no one here will listen to your rants…just as we laughed at the stupid comments on rape spewed from so many of your “Right Wing Conservatives”. TRAGIC!

        • http://www.facebook.com/allison.weinrod Allison Weinrod

          Always a victory when they move on to the ad hominem – clearly you are on the right track Eric!

        • Laura

          Actually, Larry, you haven’t provided anything to refute. What you offered was a chaotic pile of unsupported claims. If you want to come back with a coherent argument based on evidence, perhaps some of the good people here would bother trying to have a discussion with you. But given the lack of order or substance in your first and second efforts, I won’t hold my breath.

        • HFC_Tom

          The point you miss, Larry, is that people *want* to vote Republican Party, but not if they’re going to have to align with “God, Guns & Greed” to do it.

          This country *needs* a strong opposition party to balance things out if we’re going to remain a two-party system. As a Republican (gasp!) I can’t tell you the number of times I’ve had people tell me I’m not “Republican Enough” when I call them on the mat over their bullsh*t.

          When the hard-line Neo-Cons took over the party and demanded if you weren’t with them you weren’t a real Republican it left historically progressive fiscal conservatives without a home. And now that Obama, who *shouldn’t* have been re-elected *won* it’s time for the GOP to do some honest soul-searching and move back towards the middle where *we* need them to be.

          IMHO “Americans” by a majority, want to be fiscal conservatives. We want to see less Government waste and bureaucracy which have stifled *true* Small Business creation. I know I could certainly use a lot less hurdles to jump in my own business.

          But telling us all we have to continue believing that the wealthy who have benefited from Reagan’s “trickle down” scam or Bush’s tax cuts will magically produce job creation because that’s really what Rich Folks want is a fairy tale with no happy ending.

          Why else do you think so many folks voted for Johnson & the Libertarians this time around?

        • Morri

          Oh, look – it’s Otto from a Fish Named Wanda.

    • Dawn

      Larry, I think you might find this helpful.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paragraph

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=844980144 Travis Hughes

        Oh, you totally beat me to it. xD Good show.

    • Mel

      Larry, I find it HIGHLY offensive that you assume that Obama gained the black vote merely on the color of his skin. Your remark insinuates that the black population is incapable of intelligently delving into issues that not only affect themselves as United States citizens, but also affect their nation as a whole. To suggest that American citizens vote according to race alone is insulting. And if that is truly the case, please explain that line of thought to the millions of people who were white that voted for Obama.

      • Larry

        I find it HIGHLY ridiculous that you can say with a straight face that Blacks are not voting for Obama because of skin color. Forget percentages- Blacks have been on the Democrat Plantation for decades voting 85% + for Dems…..but for Obama MILLIONS MORE came out of the woodwork for Obama. Blacks have been decimated by Obama policies. But they fist bumped on Tuesday for Da Bambster. Whites voting for Obama ? Of course. Union slugs….white moochers, college brats looking for free tuition or loan forgiveness, government workers, shall I go on ? now has over 50% of the electorate. Once every 4 years they get off the couch. Re-fuel the Gravy Train. Is this really NEWS to you bumpkins ? Those idiots in Chicago Tuesday night couldnt pass a 4th grade civics test….Probably voted with crayons.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeff-Charest/1621550844 Jeff Charest

          You must be the troll. The sunlight must be really painful to your cave-eyes, huh? your comrades have probably saved a space for you back in the cave, hurry up and claim it before you get mistaken for a liberal who just wants a free seat in the cave! Everyone is just laughing at you now. :)

        • http://twitter.com/gshevlin gshevlin

          Nice use of the dog whistle “plantation ” there Larry. You are indeed the living personfication of Republican obnoxiousness.

        • free1thinker

          This argument is so ridiculous that I felt compelled to set you straight. On the national level, Democrats typically get around 90 percent of the
          black vote. Al Gore got 92% of the black vote in 2000; John Kerry
          got 88% in 2004. In 2008, Obama received 95% of the black vote and in 2012 he received 93%. This means his 2012 percentage of the black vote was essentially the same as Gore’s (1% more) AND that Obama lost a percentage of the black vote from 2008. Are you really whining and building a racially divisive argument over a 1% increase in the black vote? Do you think black voters voted for Gore and Kerry in such high numbers because they thought they were black as well? It doesn’t seem as if your thoughts are subject to logic, reason or facts. So, enjoy the fantasy world you have built for yourself. Good day!

        • Greybeard

          I find it HIGHLY ridiculous that you can say with a straight face that Whites are not voting for Romney because of skin color. Forget percentages- Whites have been on the Republican Plantation Porch for decades voting 85% + for GOPs…..but for Romney MILLIONS MORE came out of the woodwork for Romney. Whites would have been decimated by Romney policies. But they fist bumped on Tuesday for Da Mitten. Whites voting for Romney ? Of course. 1%ers….old white dudes, CEO types looking for free loans or tax exemptions, rednecks, shall I go on ?

        • http://www.facebook.com/allison.weinrod Allison Weinrod

          By that logic, Herman Cain should have been the GOP candidate. He’s more black than Obama.

        • Pandora

          Folks,
          You can try to explain this to Larry, but you can’t understand it for him. He can’t get past his own skin color, so there’s little chance he could understand those who of us who are wayyyyyy past skin pigment as our primary means for determining our own, and others, value.

          Some primitives do manage to survive. Evolution will get them in the end. ;)

        • RandyB

          Larry,

          What is the purpose of the xml tags sprinkled throughout your posts? They look foolish. Are you attempting to teach yourself HTML in the hope of igniting a new career?

          Give it up, it will never work.

          Oh, you’re an idiot as well – actually, more of a lemming.

          Cheers!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=844980144 Travis Hughes

      Larry. I have a one word concept for you: PARAGRAPHS.

      Thanks. I can’t even read that. The part I did notice was when you were talking about gay marriage, where you said ‘change the law or obey it.’ That’s exactly what we’re trying to do–what the PEOPLE are trying to do–but the GOP and their puppet masters are preventing it as much as possible.

      Then you have your wonderful comments about ‘science’ that I managed to decrypt from this wall. You clearly don’t understand that, while all the people in the world could indeed fit into a space the size of Rhode Island, we use up a LOT MORE LAND than we take up. Overpopulation isn’t about how many people we have, it’s about how many people we can feed without completely destroying the ecosystem in the process. We’re well on our way to making Earth an inhospitable planet within a few hundred years. Anyway, read some science instead of just regurgitating what you hear on talk radio and Faux News.

      Oh, and to close: As a Union member – fuck you.

      Ahem, sorry for the language, Eric.

      • Larry

        Ignorant peasant- the US could feed the entire planet many times over if it unleashed it’s productive capabilities to even 1970′s levels. Never mind the silly paragraphs- I was typing at 100 MPH and it was 5am. You being a UNION member mooch have never been up at 5am- it’s really early, trust me. Actually- I dont mind Unions. I was a Teamster for 6 years. My beef is ….especially Public Unions. THERE IS NO COLLECTIVE BARGAINING. That is the PROBLEM. When you are swindling the Tax Payer with your outrageous contracts and Pensions- THE TAX PAYER IS NOT INVOLVED IN THE DECISION. Get it ? The Union puts a muppet in Office and then a contract with their sock puppet and the Tax Payer is fleeced. Do you think FOR A SECOND the Tax Payer would vote itself into BANKRUPTCY if it sat in on the negotiations that THEY GET STUCK PAYING ? Can you grasp any of this or do you need paragraphs ? Jackass.

        • Sick of Ignorant Republicans

          Amazingly ignorant. People accuse unions of the most outrageous things, but, seem to forget that it takes two sides to negotiate an agreement. Oh wait, most managements don’t bother to hold up to their agreements, and ditch pensions, lock out their workers, or “outsource” until there is nothing remotely resembling a job which could provide even a modicum of a quality of life.

        • teacher

          clearly you have never in your life even met a teacher, so please let me enlighten you: we are nearly all up daily at 5am, if not earlier, and We. Are. Union.

          • http://twitter.com/actuallycallie Callie

            in some states it’s illegal for teachers to unionize, which sucks. And yeah, every teacher I knew (when I was a teacher) was up at 5 am.

        • http://twitter.com/gshevlin gshevlin

          Larry, beginning a response with “ignorant peasant” is neither smart nor useful, Bluntly, it marks you out as a jerk.

        • oldnyker

          larry…

          #1) YOUR PARTY LOST

          #2) eric is actually trying to do you a favor here. he’s trying to give the republicans a head’s up. think of it like this….. your coach’s making you watch the replay of the big game you just blew to show you what you did wrong. do you argue with the guy? you lost didn’t you? do wanna know what you did wrong and how to fix it or do you defend what didn’t work? have any clue what an idiot you look like when you continue to defend the LOSING position?

          #3) there’s one reason the the republicans lost. and you’re it. look in the mirror, son because you are the poster boy for everything that LOST your party the election. you’re such a prototype you belong in a specimen jar. but please…don’t let us stop you. throw as many temper tantrums as you want. it’s cute when 2 year olds do this.. not so much with grown men. but know this…being demeaning, condescending and arrogant besides not winning you friends..will not attract anything to you or your party. not women and not voters. and in this case not women voters.
          in fact if you were 1/10th as bright as you think you are you would absorb all of this…take it back to the republicans and convince them that to get anything accomplished they might consider changing their tactics. as my grandma and probably yours too used to say…you can attract more flies with honey than you can with vinegar. think “ronald reagan” your demi-god. didn’t like the guy and half of what’s wrong with the state of the economy today started under him ( i can hear your gasp from across the country) with the deregulation put into effect during his administration…but damn…he knew how to win friends and influence people.

          #4) or stay just as you are..don’t change one thought..one iota. cause i have a feeling that that’s what you and the republicans will do. and then come 2014 when there are more of the dreaded non-whites and women and god knows what else roaming around this country voting…you’ll be even less relevant come election time than you are now.

        • Morri

          Perhaps you fail to realize why Unions formed to begin with?

    • http://www.facebook.com/max.robins.16 Max Robins

      Frankly I think you are living in the bubble of “partial truth conclusion” re most everything you say Larry. But let me ask you one question. Whether you believe that mankind is contributing to global warming or not would you disagree with cutting back on the things that are poisoning our air and water (things that those who believe think are contributing to global warming) just for the sake of a planet less toxic to the health of those living on it?

      • Larry

        We are wasting $ Billions on ‘Green’ energy failures. The Federal Govt. is expanding under the guise of this MMGW Fraud. AlGore has made $100+ Million laughing all the way to the Bank. His great science ? It gets hot in July and cold in January. No shit. Poisoning the Planet ? Countries in dire poverty pollute the planet. Lets teach them a little Capitalism versus dragging the US to 3rd world status.

        • Me

          Oh nonsense…”drill baby drill” – was that consrvative USA republicans or a dire poverty third world country?

          1. – don’t label me or anyone else. I can label you right back, which you wouldn’t like either. I’m an american, not a dem or a liberal. For the record, I agreed with much of what you wrote, but much of what Eric wrote too.

          2. But you – You’re blinded by hate and anger. Try supporting your country and your president for a change instead, regardless of party. YOU try changing laws you don’t like. Don’t be surprised if this doesn’t work out – as seen last election day.

          3. The people spoke in the elections. Next time may be different, time will tell…but for now, if you don’t like it, I’m sorry. Accept it, think on it, practice some tolerance and learn from it. this may require that you grow up, something it’s never too late to do for any of us to do…

        • Morri

          The only people dragging the US to “3rd world status” are your favorite folks: the job-offshoring, company-busting, tax-evading privateering, tax-dollar-sucking billionaire corporations. Oh yeah – and those regressive, 13th-century American Taliban types.

    • gregoryth

      Regarding the “Party of Free Shit”…

      “The statistical reality is that the red-staters are, on average, less prone to pay income taxes, more prone
      to receive subsidies from the federal government, less physically fit, less responsible in their sexual behaviour, more prone to inflict harm on themselves and on others through smoking, drunk driving and misuse of firearms, and more prone to freeride on the healthcare system, compared to blue-staters.”

      http://www.voxeu.org/article/which-50-states-practise-personal-responsibility

      • Morri

        ^ Hard cheese & undeniablly the truth (also the most porn consumption – those Moral Leaders.). So I guess what they are really doing is ranting at all of the rest of us, thinking we are like them or worse. We’re not. Go home and cleanup your own yard first. Or secede. Or move. Please.

    • Cathwithac

      Kudos Larry. My thoughts exactly!!!! Sounds like Eric didn’t even vote which gives him no reason to complain about anything.

    • Marianne PhD

      Thank you Eric for such an insightful post. As a liberal, democratic woman, I too would prefer to see us return to a functional two-party system where the parties work together to solve the problems of the country rather than work against each other to further their own party’s control.

      Larry, Your long hissy fit just supports what Eric was writing about – with your being out of touch with reality.

      As a scientist, I would like to address one aspect of your tirade. There is a world-wide scientific consensus on Climate change. Do you really think that it is possible for hundreds of independent researchers around the world across multiple decades to all decide to work together to make it look like the climate is changing? Perhaps if you read some of the actual research on global climate trends, weather models, and how the global climate shifts into and out of ice ages, then you would understand how obvious it is to the scientists that we are indeed affecting the natural climate cycles.

      I am also particularly offended my the ignorant remark about “The Party of Free Shit”. For all of the decades that I have been working, I have always paid my taxes. When I recently became unemployed, I was able to use the benefits that I Paid For to cover my basic needs while searching for a new job. I have had a difficult time finding a new job since because I have an advanced degreee and have been written off as “overqualified” for most of the hundreds of jobs for which I have applied. I have not just sat around during my time of unemployment bemoaning my state. In addition to searching and applying to jobs, I have used my time to take college courses to add to my job skills as well as spend many hours volunteering for my church and other organizations because I thrive on helping others. Instead of waiting for the economy to pick up so that companies will once again start hiring people above entry-level positions in my field, I have used my computer skills to pick up enough contract work to get by, so that I do not need to claim the remaining unemployment benefits for which I have been approved. It has been difficult getting by on such a smaller income than previously, but my parents taught me well how to use my money wisely and to know that I still have it better than so many others.

      The way I see it, it is the recent incarnation of the Republican party that is all about getting free stuff, such as tax loopholes and subsidies for old-fashioned energy companies that want the right to polute our world without someone looking over their shoulder to make them take responsibility for their actions. If people would do the responsible thing, then there would be no need for regulations. They are only created when individuals and corporations do not do the responsible thing on their own.

    • That Bitch Irene

      LARRY I WAS CALLING YOU! (PS, great read, Eric. Very well written, and very straight to the point, Agree with everything.)

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Charlotte-Allmann/1290694900 Charlotte Allmann

      This is priceless! How’s this “double down” strategy workin’ so far, Larry? If you want to get a Republican into the White House, you will have to put away your tin foil hat. At least TRY. These accusations didn’t work before, why should they work now that the election is over? These insults on our intelligence do not engender respect, in fact, create protest votes, as my business partner admitted to. A dear and very disappointed friend ominously warned me yesterday that “‘That man in the White House’ isn’t who we think he is, we we will find out soon.” When? Just ‘soon’, he said. Again with the repeating things – heard that ‘stuff’ four-five years ago, and still we haven’t arrived at ‘soon’. I await the truth. Really I do. I am anxiously hoping for a Republican candidate that will take my concerns as an educated female business owner seriously, not patronize me, call me ugly names (how soon we forget ‘slut’ and ‘victim’) and at least give me something to compare – 2016 is not that far away, and time’s a-wasting. With friends like Larry here, Republicans don’t need enemies. It will take a long time to get over these insults.

    • JMB

      Good idea, Larry – double-down on the crazy! THAT will certainly draw voters back into what has become the Republican pup-tent.

    • Richard Gadsden

      Tell you what, rewrite that in proper paragraphs and sentences instead of a wall of text, and I’ll read it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.keithlucas Lisa Keith-Lucas

    This is the best opinion of this election I have read, and I have read quite a few from both sides of the “aisle”. Bravo!

  • Christina

    Brilliant…incredibly spot on! Now if only the right people would read it and take it to heart! Thank you!

  • P. Marcus

    Outstanding article Mr. Garland.

  • http://www.garbologie.com/ Adam Johnson

    Bravo! Especially bravo for not begging off “they’re all crooks” and so abrogating any responsibility to think. To respond. To have an opinion. As we might say “Onya!”

    And thank god I didn’t come straight after the screed comment…

  • Forest

    While I agree with most of the ideas/sentiments in your essay, it fails to address one inexplicable element- why did the House stay overwhelmingly in Republican hands? It seems to me that that will encourage the Tea Party wack jobs to do more of the same. Why would the Republican Party listen if they still have that kind of success in Congress?

    • Bill D

      Gerrymandering in 2011 after the Republicans picked up a lot of state legislatures in 2010. More votes were actually cast for Democrats than Republicans in the 2012 House races.

  • Cole

    Garland 2016

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=660989370 Paige Brown

    This right here is genius.

  • Heidi

    Holy Shit! I love you! All of your reasons are why I switched parties about 8 years ago to become a Democrat. You’re fucking awesome!

  • Lisa Harris

    I’ve always been puzzled by campaigns, political operatives and candidates that say there’s something wrong with the voters when their campaign isn’t going or didn’t go well. I can understand them thinking it to make themselves feel better but you would think they would have better judgement than to make public statements about it. When I’m one of the voters that didn’t vote their way their disrespect hardens my opposition to them.

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  • AllenCA

    Wow! Eloquent and cutting to the bone! I couldn’t agree more! Though I’m a democrat, I’ve not always been. I am an upper-middle class, educated white male who comes from a dirt poor family; I have worked and paid taxes since I was 13. But I just cannot find it within myself to shut my brain off and become a replublican.

  • http://twitter.com/SDFreePressorg SDFreePress.org

    Bravo. Brilliant. Shared. With everybody I know.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=500075913 Renuncia Cupelluni

    I agree with everything but the boomer hate. The romantic “nuclear family,” for which there is so much nostalgia, actually began to disintegrate during the 1960s. Watch a Mad Men episode. Like a lot of boomers, I grew up in a “broken” home–one that was actually a lot healthier when broken than whole, actually. The boomers I grew up with on the west coast were more likely to be tolerant, creative, self-sufficient, and MUCH less wealthy than their parents–by the time Prop 13 passed when we were in our 20s, who could afford to buy a house? We were scraping by, not worrying our investments. Most of my cohort can’t afford to retire, or are struggling to find new employment now that they have been “downsized” out of the careers they devoted their lives to. One economic size does not fit all, sir. There were close to 80 million of us, and just as many stories. (And I haven’t even begun to address the social turmoil that formed our consciousness, or the impact of the draft and the Viet Nam war.) Romney and his ilk are outliers. American values have changed significantly since the Reagan era, but no one in my cohort supported him. . .

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      Please, it’s not Boomer “hate,” it’s Boomer description. I am married, so I know marriage is really freakin’ tough. But the Boomers inaugurated a disintegration of the institution in the statistical number of marriages ended in divorce – for good or for ill – that pre-dates the drive for gay marriage. Thus, it’s just that I don’t feel that older voters are justified in sermonizing on marriage. There is no hate on my part, though.

      • Robert

        I think that a significant enough portion of the divorces that occurred were a resultant of the law changing to make it easier to divorce, allowing many people who were far too lazy to fix their marital problems to simply drop it all and run. It’s obvious that many heterosexual couples still think this way, considering that divorce rates are still ridiculously high.

        • bsaunders

          I agree that lax divorce laws make it easier for people to be lazy about fixing their marriages. However, the counterargument (about the baby boomers in particular) is that in the past there was too much pressure to get married. A lot of those divorcing boomers got married too young, or would not have married at all had they come of age 20 years later.

        • Morri

          I disagree. I think the availability let people who were desperately unhappy to finally escape what had previously been a demanded role for them. Others wanted something other than Leave It To Beaver for themselves. It’s never been “easy” for a woman to divorce, and wasn’t then, either. Statistically, she hits poverty or near-poverty levels while the hubbies incomes increases by 40-70% – and remember, in the 50′s there was no welfare or assistance; and plenty of deadbeat dads, then, too. Lots of women stayed in situations that were not what they really wanted.

          There’s a lot more at work than just individuals when discussing trends.

        • Richard Gadsden

          Need to tighten up marriage laws. Make people live together for three years first, and then the ones who aren’t really committed will back out. Divorce rate would drop like a stone.

          • http://twitter.com/actuallycallie Callie

            It should be harder to get married and easier to get divorced. If you want to put “sanctity” in it, make it so it’s a little harder to get than going through a drive-thru in Vegas to get married by Elvis.

      • Morri

        One silent reason for Boomer dysfunction is the Catholic Church and their theft of babies. If you became pregnant out of wedlock in the 50′s (and tons of girls did), chances are quite good that the Church (and parents) would have shamed you into a unwed mothers home, and then taken your baby from your unwilling arms, profiting mightily from it. This happened to thousands and thousands of women, many who suffered for years, decades and sometime their whole lives afterwards, leaving trails of dysfunctional relationships/marriages, etc. You should hear some of the accounts of the psych torture tht went on in these homes. Ugh.

  • Fellow Educated White Man

    So very on-point. Our health care system has been rated below Cuba’s. Come on, Republican!! (Said like Chris Carter’s “Come on, Man!”). And to deny climate change for the sake of not restricting a business from doing anything that it damn well chooses — even destroy the Earth. Come on, Republican!! Do you really believe the American public is that naive or stupid. That is why they do not want the poor to go to college. Every time another one becomes more educated, they see the fallacy (we reduce deficits, there is no global warming, etc.) and hypocrisy (divorce, extra-marital affairs, etc.) of the Republican Party platform. The Republican Party is a party by rich people for rich people. It is run by the Koch brothers (father played with strippers), Donald Trump (divorced), and others. They set the agenda. They set the platform. One changing demographic you left out is that the American public is becoming more educated. As that occurs, more folks see the fallacy and hypocrisy of the Republican platform.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jessica.b.walton Jessica Bateman Walton

    Brilliant! Brilliant! Brilliant! Thank you, Eric.

  • Aksel

    Three of my ancestors fought in the American revolution, one answering the call to Lexington in 1775. I am so white, I sunburn easily and worry more about getting melanoma than any other possible affliction. My parents were Republicans, and whileI was still in high school, I campaigned for Goldwater (yes, I am baby boomer), primarily because Goldwater came out and stated exactly where he stood on the major issues. I had hoped that would set a precedent, but the usual BS rhetoric prevailed. My high school had no minorities. My position has evolved since then, as I have become more exposed to the world and “other” people’s cultures and points of view.

    I will second all of Eric’s points. I suspect most of the far right’s stance is based on fear of the unknown, and, based on their anti-intillectual, anti-science, anti-education attitudes, most of the world will continue to be unknowable to them, while the rest of the world passes them by. Sad in a way.

  • Dave

    In a word, this is brilliant in every way. Brilliant points said in a brilliant way. In a way that I should hope “they” understand. Then again, logic doesn’t seem to land well with the GOP. By the way, that is my registered party, although I am fiercely independent at this time and vote for the person that makes the most sense to me. Imagine that!

  • http://twitter.com/harleylowspeed harleylowspeed

    I’m with you, brother!

  • tcfuller

    Interesting read. As a Libertarian, I agree with some…disagree with some. See? I’m reasonable!

    One point…after reading this, I went and read a little about you on your “About” tab. For someone who says that something he will NOT do on his blog is “Pretend he knows the answer,” you sure spent a lot of time telling Republicans “the answer.”

    …and I didn’t see any typos!

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      “you sure spent a lot of time telling Republicans “the answer.”

      Ha! Busted.

      I didn’t say I wasn’t a hypocrite, I just said I was white.

      Thanks for the reasonable dialogue.

  • azlefty

    Excellent!

  • molly

    Eric – thank you for articulating what i could not. you hit every point dead on for me and i really appreciate it. i have been struggling to find “myself” fitting in during this election and i simply couldn’t. i see no other choice going forward than to abandon ship. i tweeted and shared and will do so again because i’m tired of being embarrassed by these cavemen.

  • http://twitter.com/MarkCrose MarkCrose

    EXCELLENT Eric…thanks for posting this and I HOPE it goes viral throughout the world! I’m sharing it everywhere.

  • Louise

    Hi Eric

    Absolutely loved this piece.

    I am an English (white) woman married to an American man (white) who has a good job – we would consider ourselves middle class (although Mr. Romney and his household income of $250,000 / annum would not). Both of us have college degrees, mine manufacturing engineering, his aerospace engineering.

    We live in a RED white county of a Swing State – Florida. I found it hard walking the dog without tripping over a Romney Ryan sign each day.

    Registered independent my husband is not a ‘vote’ down the party lines type of man. He does his homework and has been disappointed in the last two elections where two moderate Republicans have been led down the far right path with their choice of running mates effectively pandering to the right of the party.

    I am a green card holder, unable to vote, however in England I would have always have voted Conservative (GOP) as my family owns businesses and property and the tax burden is substantially less.

    There are a few fundamental differences of course.

    1 UK politics is devoid of religious commentary. State and Church is separated irrespective of the religious beliefs of leaders or potential leaders. In consequence abortion, Gay rights etc are not issues that are even mentioned at election time.

    2. Reality of 21st Century Government: The Conservatives have also learnt that they needed to come more to the middle .. gone are the days of Thatcher politics that I grew up with… it’s a pretty liberal party in all respects
    now. Even the Labour party (Democrats) are far more centrist now). I don’t believe an educated person really wants extremes for their country whichever way you fall politically.

    3. We have a 3 main party, electoral vote (MPs are voted for – seats won determines government) However independents and smaller parties can and do win seats and then, if the numbers are close, you need to work together to secure their votes on issues (The past election was a hung parliament with Conservative having more MP’s but not enough to control Government.. they had to align with the centrist Liberal party to be able to make Government work. – working together…wow foreign concept I know!)

    4. With women voters higher in numbers than men, it was inconceivable to me that when we have the totally crass comments from Atkin and the like that a Presidential nominee would not stand up and say ‘ These are not my views and I do not condone them ..Silence is not golden in this case. Numbers show lots of ‘Conservative’ women turned around and voted against..And guess what they weren’t in that 47%.

    5. Political ads are limited to 1-2 / party per week in the UK. Imagine that!.The announcer says ‘ Here is a party political broadcast by the…… party 5 minutes later it’s done. They normally follow the 6 o’clock news in the evening or before the 9 o’clock news at night on the BBC.

    Ah yes also important to mentioned the BBC News.. In general it reports news and does not lean either way. It is government funded – we all pay a licence fee for our advertisement free channel but this doesn’t influence their reporting. Sky News (Rupert Murdoch who owns Fox of course) has no political agenda either.. Our printed press normally come out and picks the candidate they want to stand behind, but I can choose which newspaper to buy.

    By the way did you know that the rest of the world is breathing a sigh of relief.. ? Romney put his foot in his international mouth far too many times. My Father (voted Conservative all his life.. I think he secretly worshipped Margaret Thatcher) said to me last Monday.. Lets hope Obama holds..He was not in the
    minority in the Uk.

    I found it laughable when I heard people saying that they would leave for Australia if the Dems secured 4 more years?

    I work in Australia – liberal , no religion in politics, struggling manufacturing if not related to gas & oil industry.. selling their farmland to the Chinese, national healthcare, high taxation, you sell your $150,000 home in Alabama and enjoy the small 1 bedroom apartment you could afford in any of their major cities and their 100 km radius and oh, did I mention the reduced shop opening hours, crap internet and that you’ll have to have enough points to qualify for immigration… you do have enough points don’t you?

    Funding of campaigning in the UK is different too. This is through party membership subs, through donations; and for opposition members the third is through state funding (though only for administrative costs).

    Donations worth over £5,000 or more to national parties must be declared, as must donations worth £1,000 or more to local associations. Imagine that.. no Super Pacs ! IMHO $1/2 Billion dollars could have been better spent elsewhere, whichever side it was spent on.

    MP candidates still walk the streets and knock on doors ! Crazy I know (!) meeting the people in the flesh.

    The UK population is approx 62 million, a fifth of the USA… but we could be worlds apart in the political process.

    Anyone, i find little to disagree with in your piece. Your troll forgets to mention that Reagan started the downward debt spiral when he raided Social Security… conveniently I find Republicans do not like to talk about this.

    Thanks
    for posting!

    • http://www.facebook.com/msandovalcisneros Marí Sandoval

      Excellent! Thank you for your rational and balanced insight!

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      I love the commentary about Australia – the sudden threats to emigrate are very funny to me. I hear a lot of people threatening to move to Canada when they couldn’t name three of the provinces with a gun to their head.

      And when Thatcherites think the American right has gone off the rails…wow, we’re somewhere special.

      • http://www.am-graphix.com/ Alison Meeks

        And as a Canadian we don’t want them here either and they can take Harper the dictator with them when they find a patch of land that will take them!

        My family descendants may not have come on the Mayflower but they weren’t far behind them and rolled into Connecticut and NY state respectively and were in the US a few generations before coming to Canada. I’m a single self employed graphic designer who is also asthmatic. I used to dream of moving to the US then when I grew up knew I never could because of health care.

        Dad was a Conservative and Mom Liberal/NDP (we also have that 3 party thing here) and let me tell you growing up there were lots of debates on policy rolling around our house. No matter how you voted come election day, any election, you got off your ass and got out there to make your mark.

        OK I said that to say this. For the first time in my 52 years I got into a fight with an American friend on politics on election day. He mostly agreed with Obama and definitely didn’t support the Romney party line on the crazy point but he wouldn’t get off his ass to go vote. I begged and pleaded very passionately with him. Maybe because I’ve been raped and it wasn’t God’s will I’m pretty certain.

        Thankfully Obama did win, and human rights have not gone into the shitter, and I’m pretty much talking to my friend again but he sure lots a boat load of my respect.

    • Dana

      On the bright side, Australia also offers its lower-tier workers far higher wages than those in similar service jobs (making up an ever expanding fraction of the economy in the post-local-manufacturing era) in the US, subsidizes child care, has plenty of $10 meals at pubs for the budget-conscious, offers endless unemployment benefits that only small fraction of the population ever use because it’s that much of a better deal to work instead (see point 1 about wages – shopclerks making nearly $20/hr are not unusual), and the place has a bad-a$$ PM who publicly took on the spectre of unconscious bias in the form of misogyny on the part of some of her fellow public servants. (Not sure why any of the above would appeal to a Republican, though.)

      It’s a topsy turvy land where trade-school trained boilermakers and diesel mechanics far out-earn college educated white collar people in many parts of the country due to the mining boom, creating a uniquely Australian version of a yuppie, known as a “cashed up bogan” (think roughly: person whose tastes run to General Lee cars, tattoos, roll-your-own tobacco products, fast watercraft, expensive pickup trucks, any liquor you can mix with Coca-cola, t-shirts advertising all of the above, and so on…. with the ability to put down 50% when buying a house.)

      Oh, and once you get used to the trading hours in Australia, it actually seems STRANGE and wasteful to go back to America and find shops open until 9pm at night every night — what do you absolutely NEED to buy at Aeropostale on a Monday night that couldn’t wait for Thursday? (Oh, that’s right, shopclerks are paid so low in the US that it doesn’t take much in the way of sales to pay for opening the shop even during a very low-traffic time.)

      And as far as immigration goes, friends tell me that no matter how difficult it is to get into Australia (it is no picnic), it’s still far, far more difficult to get into the US.

      • Louise

        Spot on completely Dana.. I love the Bogan word.. like gypo in England ..although have not found a $10 dinner in anywhere I’d want to eat the last 7 times I’ve been in the past two years.

        As for the wages… yes they are paid more, but to compensate for the fact that everything is SO expensive. The $ to Aus $ is the same at present.. yet everything is twice as expensive and housing California and New York prices for 75km out of Melbourne… I cringe every time I get my restaurant bill, and am looked at strangely when I tip 20%.. my Australian friends told me to stop tipping as the waitresses were getting paid enough.(!) but I can’t bring myself not to.

        I have clients in Perth who can’t keep people employed in their manufacturing site at $100,000 / year…they keep disappearing to the mine areas to work in unskilled jobs to earn twice as much for 6 months of the year…It’s completely skewing all the prices of everything around Perth.

        The trading hours .. well I should have been more specific… I wanted a grocery item and the IGA was closed at 5.30… they’d be a riot here! but I know it’s not like that everywhere.

        And I don’t think Ms Gillard would appeal to any Republicans…she’s female for a start.. and certain Republican female commentators here think women need the vote removing from them as they all vote Democrat… tsk tsk.. a female leader…heavens what next!!!!

    • cicatricella

      are you joking? The Conservatives are selling off the Forests to the highest bidder, gutting the NHS and shutting all the Libraries. Amongst other things. Cameron is killing the country.

    • http://twitter.com/SharonLockwood8 Sharon Lockwood

      One of the best things about politics in Canada is that election campaigns are short. 36 days minimum and the longest was 74 days back in the 1920s. So no matter how odious the candidate(s), you don’t have to tolerate them for the two years they run in the US.

    • http://www.facebook.com/billyname99 Johan Broad

      Wow.

      That almost makes me want to move to the U.K.

  • Joeymom33

    I always find it interesting that, according to my Republican friends, I ought to be a Republican- and just never am. Somehow, the fact that Republicans consistently overspend while slashing things like education keep my vote in the blue.

  • mari

    I was honestly afraid that if the Tea Party ideas won this time around, it’d be like rewarding a misbehaving brat. I had hope that people could see through all the rhetoric and understand that the Republican Party does not care about average people. As an educated Latina (Mexican and first generation immigrant) I was certain that the people to whom I’d offered citizenship classes and who would become new citizens, had nothing in common with Republicans. I have been seeing the writing on the wall for a while. I wasn’t certain WHEN it would happen, but I I felt certain it would happen. This may have been the last election in which the “typical white American” had ultimate say, but there is no reason for us to become a divided nation. I think that at our core, we all want the same things; a good future for us and our children. However, if the “traditional American” gets too worried about “them welfare queens, Mexican moochers, and unemployed slackers” they will fail to concentrate on THEIR own ambitions and dreams. It’s time for people to realize this is a changing world and adaptation is crucial…..of course, if you don’t believe in evolution, then that’ll make it even more difficult.

    • http://www.facebook.com/max.robins.16 Max Robins

      The new “tribal” models will no longer be built along racial, geographical, ethnic, or (hopefully) gender lines. They will be coalitions of open minded, intelligent, informed individuals from any and/or all backrounds

  • soniaf

    Spot on and beautifully written — I admire your professional talent. Thanks for expressing so well many of the things I’ve been feeling. I had a very reasonable (hard to believe, I know) conversation with a conservative friend the other night who genuinely wanted to understand how I could possibly vote for Obama. Interestingly, I began with your final point — meanness. Listening to the Republicans often leaves me with the same feeling I had when I was the subject of bullying in fifth grade, which makes it awfully hard to listen to anything else. Even then, I do try and then dismiss them for all the same reasons you make in your other points.

    Like you and your wife, I should be an easy target — white woman, grew up in a conservative suburb, college-educated, hard-working professional who pays a LOT of taxes and makes enough money that should make me run to the Republicans instead of running away from them. Thanks for confirming I’m not crazy for being willing to pay a little more to make our country a better place.

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      Bullying the weak is reprehensible, as I remember from my frequently bullied younger years. But these guys are picking on the people who are supposedly their target market – WHITE MEN LIKE YOURS TRULY. It’s an awesome strategy. I even think they are going to keep it up! Stay tuned.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=6507884 Daniel O’Sullivan

    Spot. On.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1557893994 Sandra Carson-Price

    Kudos from another lilly-white science geek.

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      White science chicks are big around here – thanks for reading.

  • Ohio medstudent

    I am not a white man but this is incredibly well put. I really enjoyed the read.

  • entropychic

    To Eric – I am a heart worn on my sleeve liberal who would normally eschew your written contribution to the political arena based on your self imposed description – BUT – you have written a thoughtful, logic laden, mighty essay here that speaks to me and reminds me of the bipartisanship of my youth, of the 70s. Thank you thank you for taking the time to get it down in black and white! I will share this with my friends – both democratic and republican in an effort to open the dialogue and keep it diplomatic. All the best to you, your white family, and your gay friends :> Laura

  • http://www.facebook.com/rogerfgay Roger F. Gay

    South Park; Season 10, Episode 2

  • Jason51

    Excellent summation Mr. Garland! Though my background is different (grandparents on both sides arrived in America in 1900; worked in the TV industry including running a successful cable network; traveled extensively but didn’t live overseas), I, too, am a law abiding, tax paying proud American who happens to also be a white heterosexual.

    Like you, I soundly reject the divisive, bullying, intellectually ignorant platforms of today’s GOP; what can you say about a party that gleefully and derisively shuns its own moderates with the sneering RINO acronym? I’ve voted for smart, collaborative Republicans on the Federal, State, and Local levels in the past but that’s when they had candidates who actually wanted the US to succeed and were willing to engage with those across the aisle; can’t see too many of those folks left!

    Thanks again, I enjoyed the read.

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      Thanks for reading Jason.

      My senator in Vermont was Jim Jeffords. He was from my home town. He shopped my Dad’s store. He went to church with my friends. He worked across the aisle. He was a man of tremendous dignity.

      He left the Republican Party in 2000 because after decades, he could not bear what they had become.

      I miss Jeezum Jim.

  • http://www.facebook.com/islandrealtor Donna Wheeler

    My feelings exactly. Thanks for putting it into words.

  • http://www.facebook.com/msandovalcisneros Marí Sandoval

    We need more people like you speaking up and making your voice heard!

  • JR

    Brilliant, funny, on-target! Great work!

  • Robert

    And what are we supposed to do in 75 years when the position that YOU propose becomes too conservative for the wild fads and crazy ideals that that future generation embraces? Modify our position again? And again and again? Where would you draw the line? Is there ANYTHING, any principle or ideal, in this world that you feel should remain true and unchanging from generation to generation? Or should we always be willing to compromise for every shifting wind of cultural standards? Do we owe future generations any kind guidance? Any kind of legacy they should embrace and inherit as their own? Or should it just be a free for all?

    • http://www.facebook.com/cole.mickens Cole Mickens

      What does any of what you just said have to do with his post? At *best* the only issue that was cultural was gay marriage (unless you’re proposing we promote a culture of war and violence, I’m going to assume you’re not). So, you feel that our big guiding principle for our children is fear and lies about homosexuals? And continued segregation of them from the rest of society because your grandparents thought they were different?

      As far as I’m concerned, yes, nothing should be taken for granted. Are you really suggesting that we stifle the ability to question traditions that we’ve been told forever. What an abhorrent idea. I’m sorry to use the stereotypical parallel but if that were the case, most people would still walk around the United States thinking it’s acceptable to enslave or otherwise dehumanize people for the color of their skin. Or their orientation.

      Or are you suggesting that meanness is a good thing? Or are you suggesting that science should be subservient to your inbuilt ideas?

      Or are you just shouting “tradition” and supporting “conservatism” for the virtue that you’ve supported it for forever. (Keep in mind that that’s what your post was: “people should respect things just because we’ve been doing them for a long time”. People smoked for a long time.

  • stickers

    The distinction between the author and the ideal republican voter is the 15 extra years of education. Currently their target voter is either so wealthy that the promise of a tax cut overrides the other issues, or had little education beyond high-school.

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      If only I were richer, I wouldn’t have written this!

  • http://www.facebook.com/martha.riddle1 Martha Riddle

    Thank you, Eric. Always good to find another like mind.

  • http://twitter.com/jodywallace Jody Wallace

    The butt cheeks of Satan cause SO many problems. You just can’t trust them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.corcoran.167 Lisa Corcoran

    Thank you for this eloquently written piece. I am white, married, mom and grandma. I am self-employed, pay taxes, am self-sufficient. I contribute to society, am not a taker. The “stuff” I expect is a livable planet with breathable air, access to affordable medical care, respect and understanding of science, marriage and job equality. . the list goes on. I guess blaming and demonizing others falls into the category of “stuff the GOP says as Republicans to make themselves feel better.”

  • Robert

    What are we supposed to do in 75 years when the position you propose becomes too conservative for the standards that will be relaxed even further in that future generation? Modify our position again? And again and again? Where would you have us draw the line? Is there ANYTHING, any principle or ideal, in this world that you feel should remain true and unchanging from generation to generation? Or should we always be willing to compromise for every shifting wind of cultural standard? Do we owe future generations any kind guidance? Any kind of legacy they should embrace and inherit as their own? Or should it just be a free for all, to be modified every few generations as society continues to relax standards and abandon what earlier generations gave them? Once again, where should we draw the line and put our foot down?

    Please have the courage and integrity to leave this post on your site. Instead of picking and choosing just the ones that agree with you.

    • Greybeard

      Yes, it’s called “evolution”. Maybe you’ve heard of it.

      We don’t own other people, or have poorhouses, or stone women for adultery any more, either. More of, you know, evolution.

      If you remembered your Civics, you’d know that our system is designed to make change difficult, to avoid “bread and circuses” and the “shifting wind[s] of cultural standard” you mention. But when the wind becomes a gale, the system adapts.

      If you have any evidence of Eric removing posts, please offer it. Otherwise stop making unsubstantiated claims.

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      Thanks again, Robert, for the pugilistic, accusatory, ugly tone that causes you to turn off sensible, moderate, polite voters from coast to coast. Keep losing elections, please.

      A Republican is really going to take the line of “not changing values?” Fascinating.

      The Founding Fathers are so clear about avoiding state religion, they make it the First Amendment – but today’s Republicans prance about pretending that what they really meant was to make America a de facto protestant fundamentalist nation and put religion in publicly funded high schools.

      Both Washington and Lincoln, president during the two most trying wars of American history, absolutely forbade mistreatment of prisoners on pain of death. Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld give us Abu Ghraib, Baghram, and Guantanamo.

      Washington’s farewell address warned about two party politics and foreign entanglements. Today’s GOP takes hyperpartisanship as religion, and wants our military wherever they see fit, for endless periods.

      Nixon started the EPA. Republicans call it communist politburo control.

      PlannedParenthood was proposed by George Herbert Walker Bush. Today’s GOP calls it a baby killing factory.

      Reagan was a union leader, and worked so warmly with Democrats that he won in an epic landslide. He would be called a “RINO” today.

      Republicans can’t even stay true to their own values in past decades, much less the enduring values that make this nation great.

      • zipity

        Reagan broke the Flight Controllers Union.

        Planned Parenthood was founded by noted eugenics enthusiast Margaret Sanger.

        The EPA, like most programs similar to it was good policy at the start. But like most bureaucracies, it has metastasized into a monster, bearing little resemblance to its beginnings. When you have an EPA administrator openly saying “you have to crucify a few businesses” to get the attention of the others…Well.

        Barack Hussein Obama has presided over more deaths and casualties in what he called “the good war” in Afghanistan in 4 years than Bush did in 8. Care to comment on him throwing tinder onto the fires burning in the Middle East? How about his death cards and personally choosing who to target with drone missiles?

        You may want to see your eye-care professional about that myopia…

        • http://www.facebook.com/Chrismcdaniel70 Chris McDaniel

          Now Zipity, you may have to help me with your math. So as far as I can see, when we invaded the secular country of Iraq where the Taliban avoided because they were scared of Saddam Hussien because he was sort of the bully of the middle east that kept the wacko in check. After we did that, fought his military with no real casualties the Taliban actually moved from Afghanistan an around the world to fight us in Iraq. Don’t get me wrong the Taliban still had a presence in Afghanistan and the people were still being tortured but we had to take care of our oil buddies in Saudi Arabia so continued to fight the fight in Iraq which has cost of 4,300 American lives. Now when Obama took office we had lost about a 1,000 troops in Afghanistan, with suicide bombings and just plain troop suicides that number over the last four years has just past 2,000 deaths since inception.

          I guess I’m just curious about your math. Also, what years were the Sanger presidency? And on the EPA, yeah I say we should let corporations police themselves if Dow Chemical kills all life in a river or a nuclear power plant has a little leak like 3 mile island. I completely trust that the good people of that company will regulate themselves and spare no expense to correct the wrongs caused by there actions.

          Sweet Jesus – You are shining light for your party Zipity!

          • zipity

            You clearly appear to have some issues with reading comprehension Chris. I never said Sanger was President.

            Eric wrote “Planned Parenthood was proposed by George Herbert Walker Bush”, which is about as wrong as anyone can possibly be.

            I also said that the EPA was a good idea initially, but has grown to be an autocratic unaccountable bureaucracy, which you mindlessly interpreted as a call for it to be abolished and for corporations to police themselves.

            What a completely dishonest and morally bankrupt method of debate. Sadly, this is the usual juvenile method Liberals use when they are losing an argument. “You don’t support “A” completely and without reservation, so you must be “B”…”

            For example, I don’t support the arrogant overreaching of the EPA and it’s quest to strangle our economy with endless regulations, so I must support pouring poison into our rivers and skies.

            I don’t believe abortion should be a primary form of birth control, so I want pregnant women to die.

            I don’t support President Obama and his drive to Socialize our country, so I am obviously a racist.

            You are, sadly, emblematic of your party as well Chris…

            P.S. Nixon won re-election as well…how did that work out again….?

  • http://www.facebook.com/cole.mickens Cole Mickens

    I’d like to mention, from the angle of meanness… frankly, having a future leader of our country pledge and commit to crushing the advances that have been made for the gay community and stifle future progress is pretty much the meanest thing anyone has done to me in recent months.

    It’s nice to feel a bit of optimism after Tuesday not just via the reelection of Obama for the reasons you mention, but also because Washington, Maine, Maryland and Minnesota also showed us that public opinion is finally turning the corner on gay marriage and sadly enough it will almost guaranteedly have a cascading effect on the remaining out-dated public opinion.

    Finally, on a possibly more controversial note (although it passed more handily in Washington that gay marriage did), Washington (and really the State government already) are embracing cannabis legalization and Colorado is hesitantly considering it as well. I feel for once a sense of “progressivism” in the country that I think crosses party lines. Feels good.

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      I’d like to see the party of “freedom” refrain from making laws about individual behaviors from the “big government” level for a while…you know, for consistency.

  • zipity

    So….basically your premise seems to be that in order to get your vote, Republicans need to become Democrats.

    Duly noted.

    By the by, the “Reagan Deficits” were the result of Reagan striking a deal with the Democrats. He agreed to some tax increases if the Democrats in Congress would approve of some reasonable spending reductions.

    The Democrats as per usual, got their tax increases, but never followed through on the spending cuts. Voila. Deficit spending.

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      That you assert that only Democrats can appreciate science, take climate change seriously, rein in healthcare spending and improve public health, run wars with some semblance of competence, and refrain from being bitter, angry xenophobes is why your people who care about those things voted for the Democrats on Tuesday.

      Oh, and your assessment of the Reagan years is a joke. So – he’s responsible somehow for federal government policies – including tax cuts AND hikes (!) and massive stimulatory spending in defense – that “saved the economy” in a mere three years – BUT he’s also not responsible for the debt that resulted – only the Democrats are? And the Bushes get the same excuse?

      Be a man and take some responsibility for what your party actually does.

      • zipity

        Um….you may be too young to recall, but when I was growing up, the “scientific consensus” was that we were on the cusp of a new Ice Age, and the world would be decending into a Mad Max dystopian nightmare due to population explosion and the exhaustion of all our natural resources. The science, as Warmists are so fond of asserting today, was SETTLED. That was 40+ years ago. I’m deeply suspicious of anyone who tries to tell me they KNOW exactly what is happening with something as complex as the climate of this planet. Especially when their “remedies” for the pending disaster are surprisingly close to their fondest social/political goals.

        I also find it amusing that you can look at the idiotic gaffes of someone like Akin, and hold that against the ENTIRE party. Do you also hold the Democrats to that same standard? Do you blame the entire Democrat party for the imbecilic rantings of Dennis Kucinich? Bernie Sanders? Reverend Wright? Joe Biden? Van Jones? Anita Dunn? Yeah, I thought so.

        And about the Reagan years. Show me one time when the “cuts” agreed to by both sides in negotiations have ever actually occurred. Yeah, I thought so. It is ALWAYS increase taxes now, and we will cut spending later. The cuts. Never. Happen.

        Lastly, I cannot seem to find any essays by you after the Democrats lost Presidential elections in 2000 and 2004 chastising the Democrats for the rigidity of their beliefs, and how they must change their bedrock beliefs if they wished to get back into power, Could you please provide those links please…?

        Be a man and own up to your parties belief in never-ending tax and spend policies that have us on the same cliff as Greece, Spain, and numerous other Socialist Utopias.

        • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

          You win. We should not vote for the same political party. This is the point of my article.

          Enjoy 2016.

          • zipity

            Heh….you too. I hope you and your fellow Democrats are ready to swallow Obama’s excuse for failing to turn the economy around when he blames it on “the Administration in power the previous four years…” (2008-2012).

          • http://www.facebook.com/Chrismcdaniel70 Chris McDaniel

            You guys crack me up, what a good republican you are. Oh the glory economic years of Clinton were because of the Republican Congress. Oh Obama hasn’t turned the economy around enough in four years, not even acknowledging why it was fucked up to start with. Like some economic grim reaper came up from the depths of hell and ruined our economy – not 8 years of Republican Demagoguery and tax breaks for the super rich. Oh here’s another one I love, we don’t negotiate with terrorist and Dems are weak on Terror. Hmmm how did Reagan get in office? It wasn’t that our Iranian hostages were about to be released before the election and Reagen got together good ole Ollie North and funneled weapons to the Sandinistas to pay off the Iranians to hold our hostages until after the election. Republicans would never negotiate with terrorists especially for political gain. I love you zipity you ROCK! Come to Washington and we can buy and ounce of weed, get super stoned and get married!

        • Bill D

          Regarding that supposed 1970s scientific consensus, you’ve been reading propaganda. Your specious claim is refuted at http://grist.org/climate-energy/they-predicted-global-cooling-in-the-1970s/ and at http://www.skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s-intermediate.htm. BTW, I am old enough to remember those days and that specific controversy which was by no means settled at that time. Too bad you can’t remember them accurately.

  • Andrew

    You should run for office, you would fit right in, you know everything :-P

  • Bryce

    This was really well put. Blunt, but appropriately so. I can identify with how you mention the Mayflower. My family has lived here since the late 18th century and I’m not telling immigrants to leave. In fact, I married one. I also identify with being called “faggot” for years and then later being told that “gay people are evil” by those same people. You’ve hit the nail on the head.

  • Robert

    You’re a coward because you delete posts that ask hard questions you are unwilling to face. You might even delete this one. For this, Sir, I have no respect for you and your comments. Prove your integrity by restoring my earlier post. Or just go back to burying your head in the sand and conveniently ignore the questions I posed.

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      Cher monsieur Robert, I have done no such thing. Post your comments about your lack of respect for me to your heart’s content! Besides, I have not claimed any integrity to begin with – only that I am white and did not vote for Republicans too much. Argue away, my good man!

  • Lynn Goldberg

    Eric Garland, brilliant piece! Thank you, thank you, thank you! While I consider myself an independent, tho I tend to lean Democratic, it is for many of the reasons you mention. There are no decent Republicans to vote for. The party has been hijacked by fanatics who hate just about everyone. Until it drags itself kicking and screaming into the 21st century and realizes that the demographics of the United States have changed and if they want to win an election, they, too, will have to change, they will continue to lose.

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      “No decent Republicans to vote for” – this is quite a statement. I think many more people are ambivalent about party affiliation than folks realize. Plenty of people vote across party lines. The GOP has banked on extremism so much that they do not give people a reasonable choice for swing voters.

      McCaskill should have gone out in a state like Missouri that voted Romney by 10%. By Akin was just not palatable to anybody but the extreme. Missed opportunity.

    • Random Jerk

      I would have no problem voting for John Huntsman if he is pitted against Obama. But I know its a pipe dream to expect Huntsman to get through the lunatic GOP primary

  • http://www.facebook.com/RooCroo Carrie Bryan Atkins

    Holy crap. I REALLY like the way you think. WELL SAID. Kudos to you from a pasty-white Irish/English/Norwegian American who could belong to the D.A.R. and the D.O.M. if I liked that sort of thing.

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      Irish English Norwegian? You must be translucent!

  • Arthur

    Absolutely hilarious. I am shockingly white myself. I work hard and do okay in business, but I am a chump because I do my banking in this country. Not like Mitt, who prefers to send his assets on permanent vacations to Switzerland, the Cayman Islands, Lictenstein… and we just discovered, to the Netherlands! Why was Mitt so coy about letting us know about his affection for Dutch Tax Law?

    So guess what happens, because I am so stodgy? I pay a far higher tax rate than Mitt does, while I actually earn only a fraction as much as he does. Boy am I dumb!

    Or maybe, just maybe, I am a more loyal American than Romney is. Proud of my country and very skeptical of the “Artful Dodger” class of “entrepreneurs”. Obama said it out loud the other day, that 97% of “small business owners” earn less than $250,000 a year. All of the Republican’s pleas for us to not tax “small businessmen” is hogwash, to put it politely.

    And in the end we’ve got to ask; exactly how dumb do they think the American people are?

    A little bit, just on some days? Only on certain subjects? Only when falsehoods are repeated endlessly? Because that is what is happening. Lies and fake statistics, piled on each other until that looks like all that the Republican Party is capable of delivering to the American people.

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      Oh, the small businessman tax dodge is such a hustle. Ending the estate tax “for the guy with the corner grocery!” was such egregious bullshit. As if I expected a big chunk of inherited wealth from my mother’s pie shop. This was a major sin for me.

      • http://www.facebook.com/jennifer.l.newmark Jennifer Levin Newmark

        That estate tax thing would have done it for me if nothing else already had. My grandparents were, by most ordinary people’s standards, wealthy. They brought home more in dividends in a month that I brought home in wages some years. And yet, when they died, their estate did not meet the minimum size for estate taxes. People don’t understand HOW MUCH wealth is needed to hit that bar — and how few people will ever see it.

        If we had had to pay the taxes, that would have been fine, too (if a little painful for the heirs who were only receiving a fraction of the total). My grandmother always said that her goal in life (never reached) was to have to pay a million dollars in taxes….

  • ljnashville

    If I may have a little candor from you, I’d appreciate it.

    Have you ever actually voted for a Republican president in the past? Or are you merely one of the closed-minded straight ticket voters that ignores the shortcomings of your own party while dwelling on the shortcomings of the other side? That’s all the rage these days. I have lots of friends on both sides that would fall into that category of merely voting for the R or the D on the ballot.

    If you’ve never considered voting for a Republican president in the past, I’d say you don’t really have a reason to post why you won’t now. It would merely make this blog a successful attempt at getting a pat on the back from like-minded individuals rather than voicing concern from a disenfranchised voter.

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      I voted Libertarian on Tuesday.

      I have considered voting Republican in the past, but they have been proven to be unworthy of power.

      I have met national Democratic politicians – in person – who drive me up a wall.

      Interpret how you will.

  • LiveAndLearn

    Science: Again, you are proving that a college education dont mean anything, you are educated dumbies, evolution is stupid and not founded even by the dumbass sciences, you first poing is dumb and stupid educated man and woman. Climate: Again stupid by science, for the bible speaks of out of control climate, and the warming of the earth. Health Care: Dont know too much about it, but I am sure there is a argument there somewhere. Wars: Just like me with health care you should STFU when it comes to it, you are very lost on this subject. Debt: Again, you need to STFU, you dont have a real clue whats going on there, becasue they all are guilty. Gays: Gays are the filthbags of this nation, lowly animals does not have sex acts this way, lowly pigs in mud and slop know not to sex their own this way but suppose educated humans do, evultion humans do, you are flawed and stupid again educated man. Enough with your blind stupid brainwashed foolishness, this election was smoke and mirrors, niether was good enough to be president, but they both played their roles, Rep/Dem…there is no difference between the two and they both have the same agenda….Romney never have a chance becasue he was not the chosen one, and if he was he would have done the exact same all all the rest, fall in line and do what the hell he is told…

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      “College education dont mean anything.” This is profound – I shall now go sit under a waterfall and meditate with this as my zen koan.

    • Jenkins P

      @LiveAndLearn – I believe your comment just proved everything mentioned in Eric’s blog post.

      Oh, and by the way…

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

    • n0e11e

      i lost brain cells reading this. thanks for that.

    • http://www.facebook.com/Chrismcdaniel70 Chris McDaniel

      Wow, If you are writing this from a comedic standpoint you are a genius sir. If you are being serious then I wish you well. I have this picture of you in a single wide some where waiting for your unemployment or SSI check so you can put gas in the truck to make it to the food bank……How far off am I?

  • http://www.facebook.com/john.alvarezturner John Alvarez-Turner

    You are no Republican…You are the problem…You should be squeezed of everything you have and redistribute it, so that you can learn your lesson for your lack of vision!

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      I know I’m not a Republican. This is why you lost on Tuesday – you can’t get enough guys in the club to make a national majority. Is this making any sense to you?

  • Janet Oakley

    Funny, but wonderfully well written with truth in hand. I think my ancestor knew your ancestor. I have nearly 400 years under the family belt too in Newburyport, MA. Checked off everything in your post. Of course, I’m a girl so there might be a few more things the Repubs overlooked.

  • Richard Easbey

    So in other words, we should just be Democrats. Gotcha.

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      Or you could propose policies like Nixon or George H.W. Bush, or better yet, my favorite Republican, Calvin Coolidge. That you find anything but proposing theocratic fascist policies “being a Democrat” is why…are you ready for this? …MORE PEOPLE ARE CALLING THEMSELVES DEMOCRATS! AND YOU ARE LOSING!

      I’m not telling you to be anything or do anything. I’m also not voting for your party. Hope this clears things up.

    • http://twitter.com/SallyStrange Sally Strange

      Yeah, you should. You’d like them better than most Democrats do. They promote free trade, a strong military, “muscular” foreign policy, are talking about cutting corporate taxes and taxes on the middle class to forestall the “fiscal cliff,” and are reluctant to consider non-market-based solutions to global warming.

      Republicans should be Democrats and Democrats should be Greens.

  • Michael

    Eric, knowing that you’re a musician, you may like the analogy I’ve been using. After Tuesdays results, the GOP has adopted a Spinal Tap approach to demographics. “We’re playing to a more selective audience.” Soon the marque will read “AMERICA also gop”

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      YOU WIN THIS COMMENT THREAD!!!!!!!!

      “America and gop” BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

  • Janet

    This is freaking AWESOME!! I’m sending this link to everyone I know. Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us. Spot-on brilliant!

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      Thanks Janet

  • http://www.facebook.com/Scandblue Melinda Applegate

    I’m an aging baby booker white woman who voted for Obama and your essay is absolutely teriffic, putting into words exactly how I feel; agree with you 1,000% !!! Thank you for sharing and I can’t wait to share this with my family and fellow progressives.

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      God bless you and the beautiful state of Arizona.

  • http://www.facebook.com/john.alvarezturner John Alvarez-Turner

    So you are a coward as well…you do not allow posting of dissent to your erroneous blog. You really are not a Republican.

    • http://twitter.com/gshevlin gshevlin

      You clearly missed Larry upthread here…

  • Trish

    Yea, sounds legit…change the Republican party…to be…democrat! -_-
    then everyone is happy right?

    • CMBear

      The two-party system is supposed to help by providing different ideas to the problems of our nation. It has devolved to one party refusing to acknowledge that there are any problems (global warming, for example) other than the evil Democrats refusing to lie down and die.
      When both parties engage in constructive debate, the country wins. When one side stops doing their job, they deserve to be fired, as any of us would be, if we devoted ourselves to stopping other people doing their jobs instead of doing our own work.

  • LegalCat

    Well, but of course the reason you’re NOT the Republican low-hanging fruit demographic is precisely because of all that education. They’re the first to admit that going to college turns people into elitist swine. Santorum said so explicitly, back when he was sneering at Obama for wanting to provide a universal path to a college education.

    • amethystlady2

      Ohhhhh, how well I recall old Ricky snide comment…”What a Snob”! I mean, just how old IS Rick Santorum? What a panty-waist thumb-sucking, disrespectful MORON Rick Santorum is…a SNOB!!!! OMG………that deserves a big BWAHHHHAAAAAAAAHHHAAAAAAAAAA…

  • rick

    While I agree with most of what you said, I think the value of your message would go a lot further if respectful language were used.

  • http://www.facebook.com/draven31 Tracy Sims

    Just adding my thanks for writing this. I know too many republicans who flat out refuse to see the error of their ways. Back when they were a little more moderate I would be less afraid to vote for a republician canidate. These days not so much. Thank you for putting every reason in your post.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000430931265 Kristin O’Banion Magee

    So… just join the Democrats. You believe the way they do. Oh! and BTW there are many conservative homosexuals out there that wouldn’t share your beliefs.

  • Jeannette

    pasty white boys 4eva. srsly, thanks for this.

  • http://twitter.com/gshevlin gshevlin

    All I can say is: you hit that beyond the park to some netherland of truth

  • SusieQ

    Whatever!! I am ALL for LGBT and equal rights, HOWEVER, as long as those who wish for equal rights realize then they also have equal responsibilities, which most of them just want the cake and eat it too, but do not want to help bake the cake nor clean up afterward!! This guy is just one of the bleeding hearts that has lead to our destruction and demise in the first place!

    • SusieQ

      One entity simply CANNOT take care of everyone in the world!! Common sense please!!

      • Bill D

        And nobody is proposing such a thing! Foreign aid is only 1.4% of the federal budget. Please stop with the straw-man arguments.

        Back to your original post, your claim that “most of them just want the cake and eat it too, but do not want to help bake the cake nor clean up afterward” is not only wrong and ignorant but is also really insulting and mean. You’ve been listening to haters who have told you that most Americans are lazy moochers, and you choose to believe them. Why do you believe this tripe and have such contempt for your fellow citizens?

    • http://twitter.com/SallyStrange Sally Strange

      Slow down, take a deep breath, and see if you can explain to the class what the cake is a metaphor for. And what you mean by cooking it, eating it, and cleaning it up.

    • KarenJ

      Did it ever occur to you that “those who wish for equal rights” ALREADY are living up to their responsibilities, and they believe their rights don’t yet measure up, thanks to special interest groups who seek to impose their narrow agenda?

      You know, like women who are finding out fundamentalist evangelical men want to force doctors to probe women’s lady parts in order to prevent them from making a choice about their own health and fertility?

  • Jeannette

    though written long before your time, you might could strut down the street to the tune of DIS:

  • Yoko Olsgaaard

    If you ever start a political party, I’ll join! I don’t like any of our current parties. But I think you have your head on straight. Just sayin…. Thank you for putting into words a lot of my feelings. I would just like to add that the last straw for me was when the Republicans picked Sarah Palin. “Are you telling me THAT was the best Republican woman for the job?” That is what sent me over the edge. How did your wife feel about the party’s choice?” How did YOU feel?

    • http://www.facebook.com/cheryl.collins.1297 Cheryl Collins

      Of course THAT was the best Republican for the job.
      The rest were in binders!

  • Michael

    So when a few thousand votes out of millions cast separate the Presidential candidates, you want me to believe that the Republican Party is doomed??? Not likely… Every time I hear this, from which ever party, I laugh… The political pendulum swings… In 2016 all the “hard science”, “gay marriage”, “legal drugs”, “free healthcare”, “entitled welfare” and “Hispanic liberation” won’t mean a thing if the economy is in the tank… Obama won the election… barely… , but the American People sent him the same congress he earned in the 2010 midterms… It remains to be seen what our “leader?” does with his next 4 years…

    • Mister Reasonable

      No, the American People sent him a Congress with +2 for the Democratic Senate Caucus; on the other side of Capitol Hill, Democratic candidates for the House garnered 500,000 more votes than did Republican candidates, but the GOP retained the majority due to gerrymandering by Republican state legislatures.

      Facts matter.

      • Richcaucasiantaxpayer

        Facts never mattered to them, ironically. All these posts are just confirming the thesis of the blog. Let’s say hello to the new minority. Don’t make them feel emarginated friends, remember to be nice and educate if you can.

      • amethystlady2

        Exactly! And our County has been Gerrymandered … but we keep voting that D guy in…because he is not a rich, unethical, blowhard liar.

  • http://www.facebook.com/cynthia.gurin Cynthia Gurin

    THANK YOU from a descendant of the folks on the SECOND boat from England.

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      Second boat? SLACKERS.

      Thanks for reading.

      • http://www.facebook.com/cynthia.gurin Cynthia Gurin

        Hey….we founded Windsor, Connecticut, and The Loomis School…..we weren’t totally slackers ;-)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ruben-Castaneda/1354219032 Ruben Castaneda

    Bravo, terrific piece. The GOP has metastasized into an party which demonizes immigrants, blacks, Latinos, gays, basically, anyone who is not a straight, white, and either wealthy or a Bible-thumping Republican supporter. It is a safe haven for racists (Limbaugh and is “Barack the Magic Negro, Romney campaign operative Sununu calling Obama “lazy,” the Ole Miss students who brought honor to their school by staging a mini-riot Election Night and tossing around the N-word. It is not only dismissive, but hostile to science, and knowledge. Romney was never more genuine than when he sneered at the 47 percent. That is what he and what is left of the GOP base truly thinks. This election was the last stand of the Angry White Guy vote being the determining factor in a national election. Good riddance.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1134595461 Rebecca Swayze

    THIS. IS. FANTASTIC!

  • LauraNo

    David Brooks:

    “More important, people in these groups are facing problems not captured by the fundamental Republican equation: more government = less vitality.

    The Pew Research Center does excellent research on Asian-American and Hispanic values. Two findings jump out. First, people in these groups have an awesome commitment to work. By most measures, members of these groups value industriousness more than whites.

    Second, they are also tremendously appreciative of government. In survey after survey, they embrace the idea that some government programs can incite hard work, not undermine it; enhance opportunity, not crush it.

    Moreover, when they look at the things that undermine the work ethic and threaten their chances to succeed, it’s often not government. It’s a modern economy in which you can work more productively, but your wages still don’t rise. It’s a bloated financial sector that just sent the world into turmoil. It’s a university system that is indispensable but unaffordable. It’s chaotic neighborhoods that can’t be cured by withdrawing government programs.

    For these people, the Republican equation is irrelevant. When they hear Romney talk abstractly about Big Government vs. Small Government, they think: He doesn’t get me or people like me…”

    I think that what Brooks says here about Asians and Hispanics is true of all of us, too. It only doesn’t apply to the people calling themselves conservatives who really want to destroy government. But that is a lot of people. I don’t see how the Republicans can save themselves. Great essay by the way!

  • democratwithabrain

    Epic fail

  • http://www.facebook.com/theresa.gifford.7 Theresa Gifford

    Eric,

    I loved your letter, but you failed to include one thing that I guess would fit well in the meanness category, and that would be how, so often, those who disagree are labeled as anti- American, or un-American as if you can’t be American unless you agree with their version of what it means to be one.

    I mention this so that I can tell you a story of my own.

    A friend of mine and I went to Chicago in 1986, to work as electricians on the McCormick Place Annex. One of the first things that I noticed about Chicago was that every ethnic culture represented there had it’s own neighborhood, with the signs in the language of the neighborhood and people speaking it as well.

    In Memphis, where I lived at the time, the distinctions between neighborhoods would have been labeled black, white or mixed and fortunately the signage designating things by color had been done away with by then.

    After a few days we found an apartment in what, we were told by some local co-workers, was a Lithuanian neighborhood. We didn’t do much more than work and sleep, but one day when we had taken off we were wanting some beer and, since you can only buy beer in a bar in Chicago, I decided to walk to the bar I had noticed on the corner.

    Going from the sunlight into the dimly lit bar by itself was a bit disconcerting, but added to that was the Polka music, the foreign language being spoken and the smells of unfamiliar foods and tobaccos. I walked the few feet from the door to the bar and asked the bartender for a six pack of Bud and in return I got silence and a look like he thought I was stupid or something. I’m thinking, ‘he doesn’t understand English,’ so I hold up six fingers and a little slower I ask for a six pack of Bud. In perfect English, no trace of an accent, he says, “It’s right there in the cooler,” and he points to the cooler I had walked right past, the brightest lit thing in the room.

    “Oh!” I turn and grab a six-pack and place it on the bar next to where a large older man is sitting. He turns to me and in a loud, friendly voice with a very heavy accent asks “What are you?” I say something stupidly like “Huh?” He then clarifies it for me, “What nationality are you?” “Oh,” I say, “I’m an American.” He slaps his hand loudly on the bar, then gesturing around to the others in the room he says, with a hearty laugh, “Ha!, We all American.”

    One more thing that it seems so many Republicans don’t get, “We all American.”

    • James DoubleU

      Dig this story. Weird that you buy six-packs in bars. Dry counties with “clubs” with memberships, and “restaurants” selling food for change to sell alcohol, Drive-through alcohol shops, stores selling beer and wine but not liquor, no sales on Sundays, etc. – alcohol laws really help illustrate how different life is from state to state, county to county, and city to city.

    • http://twitter.com/SharonLockwood8 Sharon Lockwood

      Converts are always the most entusiastic members of the congregation. No one more “American” than recent immigrants.

  • Amy

    Many thanks, to you, and to most of those others whose refreshing comments I couldn’t stop reading. Such a relief to, as the comment preceding mine states, those of us who are crying from the wilderness. (And for the record, I’m a 77 year old female who’s only recently learned I, too, am descended from a couple of those Pilgrims who had to leave home back in 1620.)

  • Maika

    Thanks for writing that letter. I’ve been really bothered by they way the GOP has been talking about white men during this election (as well as everyone else). Unfortunately I don’t think they will listen to you. It was worth a try at least.

  • Maika

    I don’t think the GOP needs and image change, rather they need a behavior and policy change. This is an issue of substance not image or branding or luck.

  • http://www.facebook.com/kerra.bolton Kerra Bolton

    As an African American woman who has held key positions in journalism and politics, I just want to say on behalf of a constituency of one — you rock!

  • http://www.facebook.com/jay.sturdevant.3 Jay Sturdevant

    The GOP has gotten years more traction than they ever should have by convincing people that it’s in their best interests to support ridiculous trickle-down pipe dreams that have done nothing but re-distribute wealth to a small number of Plutocrats while sucking the purchasing power out of a middle-class and an economy that is based on consumer spending (70%). All the wedge issues like gay marriage and abortion and scare tactics about needing Neocons to create enemies and then wage war against them have worn thin and become increasingly irrelevant to hard pressed ‘losers’ in a winner-take-all society. The only reason these elections are even close is the Democrats employ a populist rhetoric but more or less serve the same aristocracy to our detriment and can’t deliver on anything. I would support another party that was interested in making our society work for everyone

  • Maika

    Wow, not only is the article awesome but the comments section is also a pleasure to read. Thanks!

  • From a Well Meaning Person

    You are no republican, conservative, nor a very good strategist…Mean is what you embody….it bleeds throughout your meaningless, emotional, and non factualy diatribe….I feel sorry for you. Liberals are the only ones who paint people in colors…the only ones who define people by their sexual orientations…..the only ones who really are biased against those who work hard at success; don’t believe me…look at your own comments….I have been republican and conservative all of my voting life…and never once considered a person on anything other then the content of their character. …and your appeal to science is so lame as to be laughable…a real scientist does not simply accept theory based on popular opinion…and I’m sorry to inform you that while everyone agrees the the planet is in a warm upswing…there is no consensus as to the cause…..good luck to you…but like the person who is a women in the body of a man or vice versa…perhaps you should reconsider what your true political philosophy is.

    • http://twitter.com/gshevlin gshevlin

      I can see a lot of invective here, but nothing approaching an argument or an explanation…do you have one perchance?

  • http://www.facebook.com/asadematteo Asa DeMatteo

    I am a 65-year-old man of Sicilian, Mexican, Irish descent, legally married in California to a 60-year-old man of Scots-Irish descent (he is as white as the writer here). I actually hope that the Republican party doesn’t follow your well-reasoned advice. I hope they continue to live inside their impermeable bubble, railing about how they are persecuted by the “lame-stream” media, the homosexual cabal (if only!), the liberal conspiracies, and the rest of their paranoid fantasies. I credit the Republicans of this sort with my President being re-elected, and I couldn’t thank them more.

  • Susan

    This was an excellent article that I am sharing on my facebook page. Sadly, I don’t believe any of my republican friends will even read it or if they do won’t accept anything you have written as reasonable. My husband and I are also white people who didn’t align ourselves with
    the republican party. I was raised Catholic, believe in God but don’t
    believe the republican platform would impress our Lord! I don’t believe
    abortion should be used as birth control but I also believe that choice
    belongs to the woman. The GOP want to protect the unborn child until
    it’s born and then they don’t care whether it has housing, food or an
    education! I think God would disapprove of the GOP’s lack of charity for the poor! I also believe that there should be a separation of church and state while the GOP want to make laws based on their religious beliefs. I would love to see the statistics on the education level of those who voted republican. I realize that the wealthiest 10% or so would want to vote republican but I think a majority of the rest are less educated, easily controlled and/or extremely (over the top) religious. Thank you for your insight…it really, REALLY made sense!! YOU should run for President ;)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeff-Charest/1621550844 Jeff Charest

    Thank you Eric! That was so refreshing to read. Thanks for putting your neck out there and saying it like it is. I wish there were more Republicans like you–I might even have some Conservatives as friends then, that I could have intelligent conversations with and learn from. I miss having that.

  • http://twitter.com/SallyStrange Sally Strange

    “Liberals are the only ones who paint people in colors…the only ones who define people by their sexual orientations.”

    Translations: conservatives are the ones who refuse to recognize that there is more than one color or sexual orientation.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mike.stock.501 Mike Stock

    That might be the greatest thing I’ve ever read. Thank you!

  • caribbeanchild

    All the best man…. well said!

  • Nougato

    This is wonderful. But I’m afraid those that need to read it, never will.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rebecca.reece Rebecca Reece

    Perfect… Thank you for saying what plenty of others are probably too afraid to! Cheers, ~RR

  • http://www.facebook.com/authorkimberley Kimberley A. Johnson

    I love this and will share. But you never mentioned the Republican War On Women. This election proved women refused to be subjugated. As a woman who fought hard, I would have liked to see that mentioned here. But I still agree 100% with everything you did say! Kimberley A. Johnson

  • Balinekeep

    What a load of crap. Just because your parents couldn’t be faithful to nor another doesn’t mean all marriages are doomed. Read your bible. Man and woman. As for debt what happened in the last 4 years. More debt than all the Presidents combined. Also the man was on vacation more than in theboffice, how many vacations were you able to take?

  • http://www.facebook.com/lgbrandon1 Linda Grimes Brandon

    Probably the best, most concise takedown I’ve read this election season. Not snarky, but factual. I’m a liberal Democrat, but I honestly think that even a conservative Republican could read this and understand how tone deaf the party has become. Bravo!

  • darren

    Well done Eric. Many of my liberal friends have been asking “What happened to the Republican Party?” Why do they seem so ingnorant and mean? What happened to the party that actually fought for smaller government? Why does a party that spouts “freedom” propose restrictions on freedom in federal and state constitutions? The answer lies with Larry. Uneducated and clearly has never left his county, except to go to the neighboring county fair. He lives in a christian bubble that values self rightcheousness over common sense, learning and empathy. He knows nothing of the greater world and doesn’t care to because his community told him he was special. The Republican party has clung to the religious right that is now less educated and poorer than the liberal states. And now that base is smaller relative to other minorities that don’t fit that that mold. Sorry Larry, I’m a real conservative and I don’t want you in my party. Go join the corporate sponorsored pseudo libertarian tea bagger party. They need you.

  • Julie S

    Eric- your essay just made my day. I am a white female physician in a clinic for mainly uninsured and Spanish speaking patients. I empathize with your wife’s position of seeing patients on a daily basis with catastrophic illnesses that could have easily been prevented. My husband is Afro-Cuban, and has been in this country for 9 years. I have spent a lot of time in Cuba studying their health care system, and believe strongly that we could learn a lot from them (not to mention the free education through college and medical school). I am ultimately in favor of a single-payer system, but the ACA is a good first step. At least everyone will have access to care. I really feel that last week had to have been a wake-up call for the right – they can’t continue to ignore reality and still be relevant.

  • http://www.facebook.com/brian.bowers.520 Brian Bowers

    I was offended and stopped reading after:
    “I embody the archetype that fits your narrative of Real Americans”

    Once you start with the tired premise that Republican = racist, anything you say after that is irrelevant.

    • n0e11e

      i am white, come from a blue-collar family, and live in texas. i have been told REPEATEDLY that i am not a “real american” or “patriotic” because i don’t blindly vote republican. i don’t actively seek out conservative “news”, but my hockey team broadcasts their games on an ultra-conservative talk radio station, so occasionally i am forced to listen to the filth they spew. the contempt they have for their fellow countrymen and the people IN THEIR OWN PARTY who don’t lean far enough to the right is disgusting and saddening.
      please, tell me where the premise eric has made is wrong.

  • http://happysnappynappy.blogspot.com rozb

    I don’t know if you will see my post, but I have to say thank you for the insightful and eye-opening viewpoint. I cannot tell you how many times I have stated these same positions over and over throughout this entire year and have a GOP cheerleader tell me how Obamacare is straight socialism, gay marriage is tearing the American family apart, and that Romney’s business acumen is exactly what we need to get us out of our financial doldrums. I just sigh deeply and let them know I will see them after Election Day. Oh yeah – they denied the math about that, too.

    This was an intelligent, sane, and memorable essay; I will be bookmarking your blog as my go-to reading!

  • http://www.womenaregamechangers.com/ WomenAreGamechangers

    Wow. If this isn’t a reality check, I don’t know what is. The Republican party can still have their beliefs without disrespecting other groups of people. How about they educate us on their views and learn about other viewpoints instead of trying to force everyone to follow their beliefs.

  • Drew Tenorio

    Kinda like I said on another post. Romney sank like the unsinkable ship. I believe named the Titanic. Enough said

  • BRANDI FROM TN

    I am almost in tears over this. I am like you! Family, kids, very white, rural upbringing, nice house, nice job, nice education and I too despise the other party for ALL the reasons you described. I have tried many ways to explain this to others and no one understands. You wrote and explained it perfectly. Could not have said it better. Thank you.

  • http://www.chinavortex.com pdenlinger

    Guradian (UK): US military told to prepare for consequences of global warming http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/09/us-military-warned-climate-change

  • HotMessNSeattle

    This is such a great post. Thank you for writing it.

    I grew up in a family with a father who was a military officer and a mother who was a nursing aide. My family supported and voted for Ronald Reagan and George Bush (41). At the state and local level, we voted for Republican candidates who represented the needs of the farmers in the area. My father used his GI Bill to gain his education and my mother worked multiple jobs in order to put herself through school. Writing this, we sound like such a typical Republican family, but we aren’t. We’re Black.

    My family left the Republican Party during the Clinton administration. We voted for Bush and watched as the military budget was cut during Clinton, and witnessed many bases close or be realigned. My father became a teacher after he left the military and mother suffered a stroke that caused her to be partially disabled. For their own personal and professional reasons, my parents adopted the Democratic platform that focused on unions, access to higher education, and affordable health care access for all. As a college student, I went Democrat because I was tired of Republican rhetoric that painted us minorities as lazy, stupid moochers who took from the government.

    I did not vote for Obama in 2008. I’ll state that again. I did not vote for Obama in 2008. But, I voted for Obama in 2012. Due to my own personal interaction of Obama, I did not have a real favorable opinion of him. I could not vote for McCain because of Palin so I decided not to vote in that election. Not long into Obama’s term, I read about Republicans vowing to make Obama a one term President, and that struck a nerve in me. By 2012, I was leaning towards Obama at this point, but if a stellar Republican candidate had stepped forward with the right message, I would have listened.

    That is truly a serious problem with the Republican Party. They assumed that because I am Black, I would not be open to listening to their message. This perspective was solidified when Romney went to the NAACP convention, and instead of talking to the individuals in attendance, he focused his comments towards the White male voter who was not in attendance. It was such a blatant act of disrespect that I voted for Obama because he was not Romney; and, I voted for Obama because of the subversive racist attitude of the Republican Party.

    Perhaps the Republican Party should do its homework. In 2011, 36% of the Black population said that they were not in favor of gay marriage. There are many Black families that maintain strong Christian values, and I assume that their rejection of gay marriage was due to their Christian views. For some reason, the Black community maintains a relatively strong conservative value system, but the Republicans just see Black faces, and they turn tail and run. Maybe if they had approached Black churches and local Black community leaders and attempted to build a foundation upon their conservative Christian values, they may have reached more Black folk. Instead, we watched as these Voter Id laws were implemented in numerous states, and we are watching as the (Republican) Supreme Court takes aim to address Affirmative Action and the Voting Rights Act. Now, in 2012, since the public support for gay marriage by President Obama, 44% of Black Americans say that they support gay marriage. As a liberal individual, I am happy to see the shifting of attitudes, but if there was truly a smart Republican strategist out there, they would see that there remains 56% they could reach out to.

    But they aren’t smart. They will instead try one more time to instill fear into the hearts of the working class White family who cannot afford to send their kids to college but watch as Black and Brown folk enroll at historic levels.

    • http://twitter.com/SharonLockwood8 Sharon Lockwood

      “Maybe if they had approached Black churches and local Black community leaders and attempted to build a foundation upon their conservative Christian values, they may have reached more Black folk.”

      You’re no doubt correct. But first they’d have to find Black people. The Republican party tolerates its few Black members but would have no idea how to attract more Black voters — even if they came to think it was a good idea. Look at pictures of Romney campaign events and it’s stunning how white the crowds are. Not predominately white — totally white. These are the sort of folks who don’t know a single Black person. (Though they always claim to have a Black friend — maybe the lady who runs the window at KFC.)
      But let’s say they decide they WANT to attact Blacks, Latinos, gays, women. What can they say to Black people that won’t cost them some of their hardcore racist base? Damn little. And right now they’re clinging to their base as if it were a lifeboat. A leaky lifeboat, yes, but that just makes them cling all the harder,

  • http://www.facebook.com/eriskay.cavan Eriskay Cavan

    Eric, kuddos to you for such a well thought out and delivered message!!!
    Wow! I don’t know if they will read it, or care, but you cut through all the
    BS and told them exactly what a lot of white guys think and feel.
    And not just white guys. I came to this country 44 years ago and I have
    never, since I’ve been voting for 32 of them, seen a more hateful lot
    than the present so called Republican party. They allowed extremists
    to take over and, it’s obvious they never once thought of the American
    people.
    And to disrespect our President the way they have was despicable!

    Thank you, again and I hope that some in the Republican party will
    read this and take note.
    Slainte!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000418580709 Morgan Sheridan

    A link to this just came up in one of my news feeds today and I’m happy to have read it. You said so much, so well. Thanks.

  • Anat Ronen

    They resemble a bunch of bullies. Thank you for this – being very far from your roots I appreciate your view and your breaking down the “reasons”. Although I can’t vote for not being a citizen I am happy America’s majority are on the good side.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Elizabeth-Siler/618924490 Elizabeth Siler

    Thank you for capturing exactly what I was thinking! I always considered myself a fairly moderate-to-liberal Democrat/Catholic — and I rarely spoke up on political issues — until Team Rape and Ignore the Science started with the war on women and I asked myself how I’d feel if my daughter were forced to carry a rapist’s baby some day (I’m way past the point of carrying any baby) . . . and at that point the decision was clear. Obama could have promised to take the country into bankruptcy and civil war and I still would have voted for him over the losers in the GOP. Watch . . . in the next election the Republicans will try to put forth a woman to forward the anti-woman ideas we saw in this election! The GOP is beyond repair. The fact that Republicans thought Sarah Palin was acceptable in 2008 (running on the “any vagina will do” ticket) is proof enough that they didn’t get it then, the recent election is proof they still don’t get it in 2012, and only a real miracle might help them “get it” in 2016. Not gonna hold my breath for that one!

  • bigeyes

    I hope *someone* in the Republican party takes your comments to heart and starts facing reality if they want to survive as part of a two party system. Come to think of it, I’d be happy if there were no parties going forward, and INDIVIDUALS just voted for the candidate they felt could best lead the U.S. I mean, isn’t that the way it’s *supposed* to work? Maybe we could even have 3-4 QUALIFIED candidates (what a concept!) who weren’t just purchased by special interests with their own agenda(s), as well. Now, wouldn’t *that* be nice, for a change? : ) Fantastic post.

  • http://www.facebook.com/monicasw Monica Stiles West

    Brilliant Editorial Eric. Thank you!

  • http://www.facebook.com/robin.peacock Robin Peacock

    Nicely done Eric. To most of us who get it, it seems almost unbelievable that the extreme views from some of these guys even gets airtime, they are simply so far out there in the left field. The mere fact that Fox news runs with this crap is testament not only to the agenda that the Australian Rupert Murdoch has, (running the USA) but also to the small minded, racist bigotry of the majority of their viewers. Notwithstanding the 1st, Fox News should be silenced, forever.

  • Joe

    Great article. Yes, Larry you can be pro-choice, for gay rights, believe in man made global warming, and for reasonable expenditure on the military and still be a Republican. Do you know who Barry Goldwater is? Come on now.

  • Carrie

    Hi, I am an Eddy on my father’s side. Came on the second run in 1630. Eddyville, Ma. I also have other varied immigration in my heritage. My husband is African American, good luck trying to find the boat those ancestors were kidnapped into. He also has Indigenous heritage. I think of the Indigenous as “traditional”, thinking thousands of years trumps a couple hundred. One of our nieces is Miss St. Louis 2012/3. She is getting her Master’s now too. My husband is a high school teacher. I assist a federal investigator with employment discrimination investigations. We have raised four children, the last a soph in HS right now. One of our children is blind, he is a senior at the U of MN in political science. We know about discrimination, misunderstanding, and prejudice. Our oldest son, and son -in-law, each have their own construction businesses. One of them has the type of home that is worth now 80,000 less than their mortgage…the other rents and is trying to buy now while the prices are low. Both have worked steady but insurance has been difficult at times. And of course there is more, we all have stories. Most of us have cancer, job loss, alcoholism, defeat, triumph, mental illness, car accident, veteran…SOMEWHERE in almost every family and i do not know any who are not working hard or do not love their country across religions, gay or straight, color, …There has been such mindboggling vitriol…your post is so welcomed and spot on.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ThanatosFCW Eben Malanchuk

    Hooray Vermont! As much as I dislike actually living through the frozen hell known as Vermont Winter, I am very proud of my home state (Randolph represent) and the people it produces, sane and rational people like you and I. This article hit every major point as to why the Republican party is failing and will continue to fail as they cling to principles that became irrelevant past the 1950′s. While I try to keep the public aware through my own facebook endeavour, The Book of Heavy Metal, I don’t think anyone could have made the point as thoroughly and succinctly as you. Bravo, sir.

    • http://www.facebook.com/ThanatosFCW Eben Malanchuk

      Oh, and while I don’t have Mayflower heritage, my great-great grandparents came to the US from Ukraine, and we Malanchuks have produced some fine figures ourselves (Grandpa Mike was a WWII Naval officer and a Long Island Fire chief until his passing, my father is a retired Ship’s Master of 40 years for Keystone Shipping, and so on. We contribute to the ever-changing fabric of the cultural demographic, with our pirogy and kvas and our diehard work ethic. It continually amazes me to hear Teabillies spouting anti-immigrant rhetoric, since I’m as white as white can be (I’m challenging your claim to being more luminescent than I, sir ;) ) and I just want to yell “WE’RE ALL IMMIGRANTS YOU MORONS! Some of us have just been here longer than others!”

      Thanks for listening, and I’m definitely going to keep following you :D

  • http://www.anklejive.com/ Anklejive

    Test answers….

  • James

    What an enlightening article. I am a Democrat myself, but I have always said that I could come to the table with Republicans on fiscal issues, etc. It is the archaic ideology on social issues that leaves me cold-shouldered and somewhat puzzled by the candidates that Republicans keep pushing through. Societies progress, and the electorate must follow. The country needs more Republicans like you. It gives me hope that we can return to a time when there was still respect between the parties.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Chrismcdaniel70 Chris McDaniel

    Thank you Eric from the bottom of my heart. I enjoyed reading this immensely and appreciated everything you had to say. I’m fortunate to live in the PNW and have developed a theory that something really happens to people that are landlocked. Their worlds seem difficult and small – I wonder if traveling helped you advance past that perspective? :) I have loved seeing the fallout and all the recent articles of corporate CEO’s such as the Papa Jon’s and Home Depot founder as well as the Applebee’s franchise president in NY and how can we forget “The Donald” forecasting gloom and doom. It really does seem to fall under your option 3. That these guys are kicking and screaming tantamount to a child having a temper tantrum. I would say the real sad part is I imagine that once these guys provide insurance options for their employees that retention, job performance and profitability will improve dramatically. It will literally cost them nothing at the end of the day. I think a lot of it is that it is a requirement and rich, white, men of power do not like to told ANYTHING is required of them. That and there is a sick enjoyment that they feel in keeping and hourly worker as a separate class. Having healthcare really makes a person human (cared for you might say) and elevates them which the white exec could do without.

    As far as the common man of the the GOP, I have a reformed republican friend that told me once (and I believe to be true) that the fact is that it’s just easier not be a free thinker. To be a republican because your dad was, to regurgitate whatever you heard on Fox News or Rush said because it actually takes effort to become informed. That and the fact that black, jews and queers are down right scary!

    Thank you from a big, white, affluent, gay, father of two who is a salesman partnered to an embryologist….Oh which makes me think. You know who has tons of abortions? His clientele when going through IVF have to disclose if they’ve had abortions. It is not unusual at all for wealthy white republican woman to come in that have had 6 or 7 abortions. Why is that you ask? I couldn’t tell you, I’m certain it’s not because they have two daughters and they want a son so their wealthy husband won’t leave them and they “miscarry” just after the babies sex is determinable, it’s certainly not because of that.

    OK I know I gotta a little cheeky at the end but thank you Eric, seriously from the bottom of my heart. I love knowing that there are Eric Arnold Garlands out there!

  • KATHLEEN MUTHIG

    Bravo!!! I am from the same background except my ancestors were just lowly Arabella Second Boat types . Also, i’m not affluent. But I agree with you 100%. By the way, I’m so white, I’m clear.

  • Liz

    Thank you, Eric. I have been able to disregard most of what the GOP has made up, except the “makers and takers” lie. Then they go and call President Obama racially divisive? I work with disadvantaged and disenfranchised families (all races) who struggle with mental illness. The shame, guilt, and embarrassment they feel each day from the stress of not working or having to ask for additional help to pay bills is disheartening. What I have learned from them is that they are doing the best they can at any given moment. They are not takers, but dreamers who feel pain, sadness, and at times, hope and happiness. Just like all of us.

  • Michael

    The troll posts form a wonderful appendix of evidence for this thesis. Keep proving his point lads!

  • http://www.facebook.com/rick.london1 Rick London

    Eric: Absolutely incredibly written from another “Early American White Guy” who started work at 12, worked hard and worked my way up….Am from a vintage historical American family with a famous museum named after them and for exactly the same reasons, the GOP has “broken my heart”, dumped me if you will. I sadly think they are going to choose #3; this new GOP is not a political party, it is the world’s largest MLM meeting; with the furthest downscale giving the most bucks to the top 1% of the party (I think Carl Rove was MLM King) but there were others. Most are still in shock that this was a scam; that nice “upline” that took our money didn’t really like us that much, and my money ended up with the top 1% of the MLM Cult. I hope/pray one day the GOP will offer up some decent candidates (I believe Jon Huntsmann was one;but that’s probably why he wasn’t to them). It’s going to be a long long time before they “get on track” but most analysts feel they will go by the wayside like The Whigs and Know-Nothings as relics in the Museum Of Neo-Almost Political Parties. RiP GOP. It was nice knowin’ ya.

  • Natalie

    You have taken my thoughts and put them together so perfectly. This is the clearest, most articulate article I have read on this subject. I knew that people somewhere thought like this, but I have never seen it explained so well.

  • http://www.facebook.com/maggieno Maggie Nowakowska

    One argument with the gentleman: the Boomers did not break marriage with their divorces. The generation before, which is the one that changed the laws while the Boomers were still underage, is who overturned the legal support for “until death do us part.” For the Boomers, being able to leave your marriage was the norm, as it is for all the generations that follow.

  • Grumpa

    Well said!

  • newlife12

    OMG – this letter is brilliant. Hats off to you, Eric. You hit just about every major point to be made. Thanks. You made my day.

  • free1thinker

    Awesome post Eric! You’ve added a much needed POV to the discussion. Like you, I am a married, college-educated with a Master’s degree, heterosexual and I pay a lot of taxes, despise laziness, live in the suburbs and believe in fiscal responsibility. Unlike you, I am an African-American female which means I am particularly sensitive to:

    - Attempts to restrict a woman’s right to make decisions about her body with her doctor, and to have access to adequate preventative healthcare.

    - Hate-filled racial over- and under- tones ranging from “take our country back” code to hate speech/slurs to decisions to undermine the first African-American President to the detriment of our country. (Patriotic much?)

    - Strategies to win political office centered on voter suppression harking back to Jim Crow eras when my parents, grandparents and great-grands were given misinformation or intimidated into not exercising their constitutional right to vote for fear of being lynched or having their homes or businesses burned in the night.

    - The stance that a quality education, access to healthcare, and safe, affordable housing are privileges reserved for millionaires, while in other countries they are considered basic rights, and the lack of access to them, inhumane.

    I trend liberal but think fiscal responsibility is important. If both parties are engaged in a rationale debate I can and have been persuaded by logic to vote Republican. (I voted Bloomberg into office when I lived in NYC). But I can’t in good conscience vote for politicians whose platform disparages and perpetuates stereotypes and misinformation about my race, my gender, and my desire to ensure that we invest in all of the members of the next generation (not just a select few).

  • freetobeme

    Thank you Eric! Loved it:) Also please keep in mind as you read comments below from Liz they are clearly an attempt to be an internet Troll. Anyone so angry and hateful that attacks you for your opinion is an uneducated classless fool. Thank god there are more of us than them. Keep up the writing!

  • http://www.facebook.com/sandy.walker.125 Sandy Walker

    From one descendant of the Mayflower (Alden & Warren) to another – Well said!

  • darko

    Well, here’s your troll. Why so much anger? Your side won. How it won is a disgrace to Americans. The author of the article calls me an asshole. Interesting choice of words for a man who spent the next 300 words proving himself to be one. I looked at the numbers from Tuesday, as suggested in the article. Seems to me we assholes represent about half of America. Now, when the failed policies of your party’s anointed one show up in undeniable failure, who will you blame? A president and party that hasn’t been in control for 4 years? Oh, wait, that’s already been done. You call Republicans mean: Tell that to the folks who are going to lose jobs because of Obama-Care, and the folks who are going to lose jobs when our coal industry collapses, and the folks who are going to lose jobs when they rob the military to pay for entitlements. Tell us how mean the Republicans are when SS and Medicare are broke, because we have a president who has no vision or plan to fix either.
    I must say. the stage one thinking expressed in this article, and the praise from Obamabots that followed is exactly what I expected from those who never learned, never understood, or abandoned the values that made America the greatest nation in all of history. We’ll be fortunate to be considered a third world country by the next election. Pathetic, that your allegiance is to an ideology that expects government to solve all the problems in the world.

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      Thank you, anonymous Internet person, you are right. I suck and do not deserve to hang out with you and your political bedfellows. Thus I will continue to not vote for your party. Which is the point of my essay.

      All the best in your future endeavors as well.

  • http://twitter.com/eshowoman Friday Foster-ABWW

    White people like you have to fight this battle. The TeaOP looks at any person of color who does not reinforce their racist ideas are dismissed as lazy, immoral, government dependent stooges who don’t have the values to vote republican. Thanks for your effort.

  • Julie Johnson

    And how close was the popular vote??? Obviously the Republicans are doing something right… Or perhaps the Democrats are doing that much wrong…

    • http://www.facebook.com/Chrismcdaniel70 Chris McDaniel

      Well, Julie I can see your point especially on a local level. But as Eric points out the number of latino voters every year goes up and the numbers of white men go down. If we go to the Republican talking point that no president has ever been re-elected with Job numbers and an economy this bad since FDR. So if you take your shot of koolaid and ignore that the policies of the Bush years took up to the worst economy since the Great Depression and just look at the current economy then with your theory Obama should have been slaughtered……So was Mitt that bad of a candidate that your base didn’t show? I mean with numbers like this you should have been able to get just about anybody through. But you didn’t, you didn’t because your party has not moved forward. The majority of the country does not think the way you think and with every year your base is beginning to die off and not be replaced. Because the rest of the country is becoming more enlightened and no longer afraid of blacks, jews and queers.

      So don’t take heed Julie, stay in your bubble. It’s a lot easier to isolate yourself than to evolve and become a free-thinker. It’s just gonna start to get lonely.

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      So you’re doing the right thing even though you lost presidential, senatorial and local elections?

      Hmm….

      THIS IS BRILLIANT! The Republican Party is now an elaborate Performance Art troupe!

    • HotMessNSeattle

      Romney pandered to a dying breed. That is what Republican strategists are realizing now and shaking their heads over their lack of insight. They believed that since White Americans still make up the majority of the US population, that all Romney had to do was win the majority of them. However, they assumed that by invoking fear of the other, specifically that those others are living lavishly off of the benefits forcibly taken from the majority, they would win this election. They played the “race card” in this election and they lost and the numbers will not improve if they continue this manner of approach. In order to survive as a party, they will have to evolve with the changing demographics of the US.

  • Michael

    I am a “card carrying white male” like you, but I do not quite share the same belief system you do. I too am from a middle class family and have multiple degrees while I work to earn a 3rd. I am willing to understand much of your hatred for many of the things the Republican Party stands for as I am not perfectly in line with some of its members or policies, but when your post is littered with rants and attacks of Republicans for being ignorant people who can’t get anything right and starts sentences with “Look you assholes”, it is disingenuous at best. Most likely it is built up out of frustration from something someone said or interpretations from people with agendas, but you do come off as hypocritical when you attack Republicans for attacking others. There has to be a better or nicer way to point out flaws and suggest solutions [I hope this post is mild mannered and serves as an example].

    While I cannot claim to be an expert on several of the topics you pointed to, I would like to offer a parallel Republican/human position on one of them although I doubt you will read it. I do love finding right or left wing crazies and pointing out the serious flaws in their logic, but a good persuasive paper needs to be able to cut both ways [unless your claim is that the more liberal position has absolutely no flaws, in which case refer back to being disingenuous at best]. Citing a few current representatives and their positions and expounding it to relate to the entire Republican party simply cannot work.

    One topic you attacked the Republican Party on is climate. This is one I have some background on being a former Geography teacher. We could argue the different studies here and there that talk about the globe going into a global warming catastrophe (1930′s), then a global ice age (1940′s to 1970′s) , then back to global warming (1980′s to 1990′s) then back to cooling now and their converses which say exactly the opposite. There’s a reason this topic got almost no coverage this election cycle. Part of it is that we have bigger problems to worry about and part of it is that the data is inconclusive at best. It is roughly proven that 90-95% of the earth’s greenhouse gas is water vapor. Water vapor is therefore the most plentiful “greenhouse gas” which are the ones “responsible for global warming”. Since we cannot regulate the evaporation of water into vapor over all of the world’s water bodies, it is tough to say that things humans do to affect climate change will strongly correlate to overall climate change. Additionally, the CO2 emissions from a single medium sized volcanic eruption are generally measured to be more plentiful than all CO2 emissions by humans [I think all emissions ever actually]. Am I telling you that global warming isn’t true? I don’t think I have the data to prove that or its converse.

    Your rebuttal to this position in your essay is that there was a heat wave that killed many crops/trees and a couple of abnormal storms at abnormal times. To be clear, hurricanes hit the New England area infrequently but consistently and several in the past 100-150 years have been worse. One hurricane in late October is not dispositive of global warming. Notice I’m not saying your wrong because I cannot beyond the shadow of a doubt prove something like that, but I can debate and make coherent arguments. Hopefully this is a more effective Republican mindset for you to draw from as I do not prescribe to the notions, nor did the party in its platform, you proffered from your Republican examples.

    What’s interesting is that while I disagree with you on this issue in its purest sense, I love the idea of emitting less CO2 and trying to reduce pollution. I may not believe it’s hotter in my city or the world over a long time because of such pollution, I do believe it makes the air less enjoyable/clean and that it can make a difference on these fronts to practice emissions regulation. Same agenda, different reasoning.

    This is not meant as an attack on you, but rather as an opening thought that not all Republicans are the devil. Dismiss me if you wish, but I offer this to you to hopefully show you not all of us are evil swine. Thanks for any time you give this post.

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      Republicans are not the devil, and as Bill Clinton said the other night, I have never hated them. However, their policies and mindsets are not sufficiently attractive to get me to vote for them. Given that I am ostensibly their target market, I merely point out the strategic problem this represents.

      As far as “assholes” goes, when right-wing pundits assert on national television that everyone who voted against Romney did so because they are lazy moochers who aren’t “traditional Americans” (racial dog whistle for Caucasian) – well, they are assholes! Sorry, no better word for it, and I thought long and hard. ;-)

      You, sir, though sadly anonymous, strike me as not an asshole, capable of strong dialogue even if you disagree with someone’s point of view. Perhaps YOU should run in 2014. You might be surprised at the moderates you attract.

    • http://www.facebook.com/ubear.winfield U-bear Winfield

      I respectfully disagree with you Michael and your stance on climate change. 98% of climate scientists would also disagree with you. You may not know that the average North Atlantic hurricanes are tracking over 1.5 degrees further north (or over 100 miles) in just the last 25 years.
      The Accumulated Cyclonic Energy of the yearly hurricanes is increasing http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/outlooks/background_information.shtml
      they are getting bigger and stronger, Humans have been altering the climate for about the last 8,000 years (Journal of the Holocene).
      You might also look at the climate escalator that points to increased energy in the climate and use a regression line and you can see temps are going up, climate is altering (look at escalator graphic)
      http://www.skepticalscience.com/fritz-vahrenholt-duped-on-climate-change.html
      I fervently agree with Mr Garland and hope that Republicans, Democrats etc., are elected to office and have scientific positions that are actually literate in science so the Science and technology is not a joke like Broun and his antievolution, anti Big Bang can be on a SCIENCE commitee, as well as Imhofe, etc and Cuccinelli in my neighboring Virginia.
      It was an extreme breath of fresh air to read reasonable discourse of Mr Garland

  • tsw2012 beverly

    Great article,Eric! Actually,I found this to be so enlightening,that this is my very first article/forum of any kind,to ever,in my entire life,participate with or leave a comment on. I want to start by telling you that when it comes to politics,please don’t expect much out of me,as I just started really reading,watching,researching,and learning new things about this subject. I’m a very curious person,by nature,and feel like we can never learn too many new things. In your article,the word MEAN,and the paragraph below it,made me really do some thinking. There ARE some really mean people in this world…here’s my deal: I’m a white female,with a Bachelor’s in Nursing,but am a stay at home mom,by choice.I’m married,for 19 years,to a black male,that’s an engineer at the railroad,We have 2 kids,and live in the RED state of AL. We are Christians,and are both registered Democrats.We moved to this area in 2007,and it didn’t take long to be active in and pretty well known throughout the community.This was due to my husband(a military brat,born&raised a bit of everywhere,but mainly Nebraska and VA) starting up a sporting event team/club(that wasn’t very well known or recognized as a”school sport”much here in the state of AL)that turned out to be very popular&successful through the growing stages,and with time.

    (enough background-skip to MEAN people now)

    We were SO excited when we voted in ’08,and were extremely proud to vote for President Obama!We just assumed that everyone felt the same! So proud,that we told anybody and everybody that asked,or were in a conversation about the election! Ut-Oh….bad decision! I always knew my parents were democrats,but my dad had been known to vote,by the candidate,at times,and my mom followed. His parents(both democrats) were almost identical to mine,when it came to voting,along with many more morals and values. We were raised in very similiar ways! Well,the next few days were a bit rough,as we began to notice people either pulling themselves all the way out of our lives,taking their children out of the sporting club, that they had all began to have a passion for,and/or not speaking to us much anymore,if they spoke at all.This community was mixed,but majority was white.We began to start finding out why,very shortly thereafter. We were 2,of only 5 people,that voted for Obama,at our voting precinct.We lived in an area,that was still dominated by”the good ol’ boy system” We continued on with our lives,but it did affect us all,especially with our kids at school,other couples that we called friends wouldn’t have anything to do with us anymore,we even received hate-filled prank calls!Reported it,but nothing was ever done about it!!!! We talked about moving,but decided against it,and opted for time to fix everything. Eventually,it did! After about 5-6 months,life resumed,as if nothing out of the ordinary had ever happened.The sporting program picked back up,the kids were happy again,life wasn’t so bad,after all(we told ourselves) Enter 2012….we stuck to who and what we believed in,but KNEW that it was not to be talked about-period. We voted for and watched as our candidate,President Obama,was re-elected!
    So,back to agreeing with you about MEAN people…I didn’t go into much detail of our lives,as you may have noticed,for fear of retaliation. My kids are older,settled,happy as hell,and so are we! My questions to you are these:1) Do you see us,ALL Americans,living in states that are automatically red or blue for the rest of our lifetimes? This obviously affects government,at all levels or no? 2) If we live in a state,that our fate is already determined,why even bother to vote? (besides the fact,that it is our right,and we choose to exercise our right) Do our votes even count for anything? It’s so sad to me that as much as we love our country,and love our President,that we never get to see him,or any of the other candidates,that are running for office,on the campaign trail here in our state. What is it gonna take for the good ol’ boy system to stop working? Prior to voting in 2008,I thought that crap was long gone,except for in the backwoods of some ol’ run down little country town. We don’t feel free!Our city,county&state are NOT free….I’d love to celebrate and to be able to express myself,towards these major changes to this beautiful country! These folks are MEAN….YES-I’m talking to you-You kind,polite,sweet,charming,southern ladies and gents!!!! If you are not down with being a”right wing Conservative Republican”or a University of Bama football fan,that ONLY swears every other word you utter,drinks as much beer,liquor and wine as you wanna, chain-smoke your damn cigarettes,mind your husband,as if you are his slave,and use ALL of these young talented BLACK athletes up,and throw them away,when you’re done with them(unless their family has their back and best interest at heart 100%,with an attorney on call) then trust me,you do NOT ever wanna live in this state,and you will ALWAYS be an outsider to the citizens of the state that was JUST voted #1 for racism…..go figure in 2012!

  • Cavallo

    Dude – your monthly bandwidth limit has stalled your excellent blog post while it was in the midst of going viral. Only so many people will pull it from the google cache. It needs to be more widely read. Just a heads-up.

  • dl

    Brilliant! This from a very liberal white female who is mostly a social issues voter. They will either heed the advice and step into the 21st century , or slip away into irrelevancy. Either is fine by me.

  • https://twitter.com/Gayer_Than_Thou Gayer Than Thou

    This is great stuff.

  • http://www.anklejive.com/ Anklejive

    Excellent letter. I’m a little worried about giving Republicans too much help, as you are trying to do here, but it IS what needed to be said.

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      If they listen we’ll have a better country.

      • http://www.anklejive.com/ Anklejive

        Indeed.

  • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

    After two site crashes from exponential traffic growth – WE’RE BACK!

    • free1thinker

      I love the fact that your letter is getting so much exposure. Hopefully some Republican strategists actually see it and take heed.

      • KarenJ

        Bill Kristol and Steve Schmidt, for all their Republican pundit/strategist faults — like introducing us to the heretofore before 2008 unknown wacko Alaskan politician Sarah Palin — seem to be getting a clue. Of course their relative honesty comes AFTER the election; they would have been pilloried, drawn and quartered if they’d been this honest before last Tuesday.

  • Blondie1713

    Brilliant post, thank you. Am compelled to share with every Republican relative I have that claimed to be voting for Romney for purely “economic” reasons – and sadly, I have too many of those to count!

  • daisy

    While I absolutely love your essay, do you really think it’s wise to tell these folks how to win? I kind of like the idea of watching them implode.

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      We need a better country. We need at LEAST two parties offering reasonable alternatives to complex problems. If they win by being tolerant and reasonable, then you win too.

  • http://www.gregor.us/ gregor.us

    Garlands awarded, for the writing of Eric Garland. :-)

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      HIGH FIVE!

  • Peter

    Dear Eric, *THANK YOU* for putting into words so succinctly what I have felt for so long. I truly fear that the US is driving itself to a one party system with the dogmatic collapse of the GOP. I can only hope that those few moderate Republicans left in the party will read this and heed it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mickey-Schultz/1507216441 Mickey Schultz

    Absolutely loved this article. Though I am merely an American Mutt myself (Russian, Irish, Cherokee, Scottish, Prussian) well educated and a hard worker since I had my first job as a Soccer Referee when I was 12 I couldn’t agree more with your points.

    I’m even a Kansas native (sorry if your a Mizzou fan), and KU Graduate. Being part of a dwindling corporate worker population who can claim to have had his same job (though under three Corporate entities) for a continuous 17 years while watching more friends get walked out of their jobs in favor of off-shoring, and more house-for-sale signs go up during the Bush years than the Clinton’s…..

    I live in the relatively evenly split (ok I wish we’re outnumbered here I think) and somewhat wealthy Johnson County, KS – Kansas City, MO suburb of Overland Park. Though I fell on financial hardship it was not the government’s fault. I went through a divorce and was forced to sell my house kept my kids and would get remarried to a wonderfully well educated hard working Nurse who herself also had a practice marriage. Thus totally agree with you there on the marriage piece.

    I gladly pay my taxes and through an unintentional slip up with forgetting to redo my W-4 post divorce I’m now gladly in payment arrangements with the IRS and State of Kansas to make up for the shortfalls. Having gone through the divorce forced me to look closer at my personal expenditures. I have heard and I agree you can take a mid to upper middle-class family toss in a divorce and end up with two impoverished. This of course got me focused on health-care as at the time I had one child in braces, and another getting ready for the head trifecta (Tonsils, adnoids, and T-Tubes). I would soon learn between my company’s contribution plus what I had taken out on my paycheck for health insurance plus the out-of-pocket expenses greatly exceeded what my Insurance would cover. Added to this the insurance company’s game of waiting six months or more to pay their share to the provider thus hitting my credit report, and I’m sure not making my providers happy either. A common story amongst many of my friends who have gone through similar.

    Currently my State has been taken over by the extreme right of the GOP in the Legislative as well as by the Gov. Our Education policy is of Creationism. :) Their grand plan for next year is to reduce State income taxes while increasing sales taxes. We’ve already seen our education budget ripped to shreds.

    Thus I offer, sadly, my State as the one to watch in the next two fiscal years as it will run into the ground to the pit of doom and somehow they’ll say it was Obama’s fault when in fact they the gloriously ignorant GOP will have no one to blame but themselves.

    Point of note; the ‘extreme’ Right in this case is not an exaggeration recently 8 ‘moderate’ Republicans were ousted in favor of more ‘conservatives’.

    In any case; glad to know that even in Missouri :) there are like minds! Thanks again for your article.

  • http://www.chinavortex.com pdenlinger

    Can I make a suggestion?

    Can you make a discussion section (it’s very easy to set up using phpBB) so that visitors can discuss ideas leading from this discussion?

    Another idea which can be integrated into the discussion area is books which visitors can read. One book is Idiot America, about how the US became so dumb. Another book is What the Matter with White People: Why We Long for a Golden Age That Never Was. Yet another title: Better Off Without ‘Em: A Northern Manifesto for Southern Secession.

    I think it would be very good to have a discussion area and readers’ area to discuss these important issues.

    Thank you for your consideration.

  • Kellylyn

    Thank you so much for this. I agree so passionately with all that you have said here. Although I voted, and encouraged everyone I knew to vote as well, there was a part of me that was actually terrified that Romney and his unsympathetic Republican agenda would take control of the white house in this election. I love this country, despite it’s problems, and it breaks my heart that my Republican voting peers have called me lazy, leeching, amoral, unchristian, unamerican, and just plain stupid. I have been willing to listen to their arguments, because perhaps I have been missing some larger point; how are you to make an educated decision if you don’t bother to learn both sides of an issue? But what is driving me crazy is that those same peers who loved nothing more than to preach at me their rhetoric (with no factual basis), these people refused to listen to anything I had to say that disproved or even just disagreed with them. Apparently anything that disagrees with Republican ideals is evil, slanderous, and some fast talking liberal twisting of the truth.

    I don’t want everyone to vote Democratic. I actually disagree with quite a few of the parties policies; however, it’s scary to me just how mindlessly people seem to vote Republican. I want to know that the representatives we have chosen to run this country were selected by people who have carefully considered all the evidence on every candidate and have elected officials based on personal history and professional qualifications and goals.

    I’d love to see the Republican party get their heads out of their collective asses. Until that happens, though, what I really want to learn is how I can talk to a staunch Republican, and have a constructive discussion where we *both* share our opinions and our reasons for them, and know that if I learned something, they did too. Y’know, without them just telling me I’m a hippie who wants to see Obama destroy America.

  • WhiteyFromTheCoast

    Eric, thank you VERY much for putting down what many of us think in a clear, concise manner. I owe you a case of beer, Sir. Cheers!

  • http://www.facebook.com/kareen.shanks Kareen Shanks

    As a “older white lady” I am so pleased that you did this..I have been crocheting uteruses and sending them to all of the BOZO group so that they will have their own and leave womens alone..hope they get the message.

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      CROCHETING UTERUSES!!!!! BWA HA HA HA

      God bless you and God bless uteruses.

  • Adriana

    Spectacular! I don’t even know what to say! You are precise, exact, and on the money! Thank you for your expressing what so many of us believe!

  • Jim Blass

    Eric,
    I would have enjoyed your screed if you had not descended into the Bill Maher trope of needing a vulgar expression or word to make a point.

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      When they stop calling torture “enhanced interrogation” and the deliberate dislocation of the shoulders of a prisoner of war a “stress position,” I will cease referring to Republican policies as an incoherent clusterfuck.

      Four letter words of Germanic origin pale in comparison to the use of Greco-Roman words to hide atrocities.

  • Astrifiamante

    Right on target! My parents left the Republican party around 1974 because the trend had already started: believe what we believe or you are scum. The Democrats, as flawed as they are, are the only major party where you can have a different opinion and still be welcome.

  • Keley P

    Brilliant!

  • Mako

    Independent here who went with Obama both times. Eric, I think you hit so many great points as to how I even feel these days about the Republican Party (I grew up in Orange County, CA). The one point I do disagree with you on is “meanness”. I am surrounded by Liberals in Los Angeles every day. And I felt the anger that was lashed out in 2008 towards the Republican’s were justified. Not so much in 2012. There were way more voices from the Liberal side this go around from people defaming, making harsh jokes and getting in the faces of anyone who slightly brought up a conservative view or said one negative thing about Obama (as if they were racist). It was unfair in most situations. This became an election of “it’s okay to bash any republican but the minute you do so with Obama – make sure you watch your back”. It disgusted me. And made me angry as I saw most liberals become HYPOCRITES. That’s right. So when I read one of your points is based on “meanness” – that makes me laugh. Cause it’s not true. You may subjectively think it’s true and does all the liberals who posted down below. But it’s not. There’s a misconception with many liberals that just because you are a liberal you are more empathetic than a conservative and are a much nicer person. Well… I saw more ugliness come from liberals this go around. It was a MOB mentality that is no different than the “meanness” you claim came from the other side. Look in the mirror once in a while as it’s easier to criticize an outsider than it is your own self.

    • KarenJ

      Read the comments at Fox Nation sometime. That’s meanness beyond sanity.

      I’ve never seen any comparable meanness on any “librul” site, except perhaps places like SomethingAwful.com or Wonkette.com, where they’re mean to EVERYBODY (but more so to conservatives because their POVs are target-rich).

  • Cindy

    There is not enough love in the world for this. Perfection. Thank you!

  • http://www.facebook.com/julie.totsch Julie Marie Totsch

    Holy freaking crap, Batman! There is a very reasonable white guy left in America. It’s really too bad that a lot of the Republicans I know believe the idea that if you’re liberal, you’re not hardworking and tax paying – even when confronted by the facts. I personally know very well someone to whom I’ll refer as the freeloader who doesn’t get this. And, the glaring error of his beliefs are the fact that he is a freeloader, who didn’t grow up to work hard and who blames the liberals for everything he doesn’t have. And, he votes Republican and somehow thinks he’s better than me. The me who worked her way through college (which he didn’t), the me who puts in more than 40 hours a week, the me who is always updating my skill set in order to stay relevant in the job market, the me who didn’t overspend on my house which guaranteed that I get to keep my home during economic downturns. And, sadly, he’ll never read this and learn a thing or two.

  • beedubradio

    Eric, GREAT ARTICLE! You not only hit it on the head, I’d for one would love to see someone like you represent my “2nd home” (St. Louis) in Washington, helping to resolve the “gridlock” we face.

  • Kevin J

    While I agree with some of your premises, your credibility as an openminded, party-neutral individual are called in to question by your attempt to claim that every Republican that doesn’t agree with your trite, self-important positions are uneducated hicks. And no, it’s not hard to read through your “cuz he’s a librul” quote…you might as well have banjos playing.

    You see, I, just like you, am a bonafide educated and affluent white male. And again, I agree with some of your thoughts, especially those on why our party’s (and yes, I’m a Republican…feel free to play your banjo now) cannot connect with the “mainstream” public. However, in your rambling as to why we (the GOP) fail in our appeal to the masses, you forgot the mention that popular vote was damn near an even split…in Hicksville, you know where all us gun-carrying, Klan-loving Republicans reside, a 50/50 split does not equal a landslide victory. We were unable to identify with a young voting base that finds a President with a Twitter account and that can reference Jay-Z much “cooler” to vote for than a middle-ages white man with ZERO “cool” factor! We also missed the boat on an ever-expanding Latino population. Romney also missed the Black and Women’s vote. I say my opinions on both may not be popular, but what the hell, shall we: not all, but some Black Americans voted for Obama because of the color of his skin (and that’s their God-given right), and we obviously did not pander to the “I am woman, hear my roar” left-leaning women that would never have voted for a conservative, white man if their Melissa Ethridge albums were on fire!

    We certainly need a more attractive candidate that appeals to those groups, but as a conservative Republican, I hope we don’t compromise the other 50%’s values and beliefs too dramatically.

    Good day fellow White Man

    • D_C_Wilson

      Here’s the thing: That 50-50 split (it was actually 51-48*) in the popular vote is only going to get wider in the coming years. Not only are you losing women, blacks, Latinos, Asians, and gays by wide margins, you’re also alienating young white voters. Unless the GOP gives up its anti-science, anti-gay, and anti-women stance, you are looking at a period of being out of power rivaling the Great Depression/WW-II era.

      *With 1% going to third party candidates, which means 52% of voters aren’t buying what you’re selling right now.

    • HotMessNSeattle

      And some people voted for Romney because he is White. Let’s not pretend that it was only a few Blacks that voted along racial lines.

    • Janet

      Obama won the popular vote by 3 million, give or take a few. Hardly an even split.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rm.greer.3 Rm Greer

    Great. Logical conclusions back up by real facts. I am impressed and plan to follow your blog starting today.

  • http://www.facebook.com/bennett.schneider Bennett Schneider

    Delightful, thank you! For me the biggest country-splitting thing you mentioned is the meanness.. the GOP made it “OK” to behave like a bully in 5th grade and it has stirred the national dialogue like a full toilet. Even Barry Goldwater was a gentleman. Even Nixon dissembled for decorum when speaking in public.

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      The other day I looked at the bestseller lists from the past 30 years as part of a research project. After 9/11, several of the Top 10 NY Times bestsellers were from Ann Coulter, Bernard Goldberg, et al., all books about hating “liberals.” Given the time it takes to publish books, this means people started writing books about hating other Americans WHILE THE TOWERS WERE STILL SMOULDERING IN LOWER MANHATTAN.

      This mean-spirited, disloyal branch of America saw a mass murder of Christians, Jews, Muslims, Americans, English, Mexicans, Poles, Danes and everyone else on 9/11 – and their FIRST INSTINCT was to stoke hatred against their neighbors.

      Quod erat demonstratum.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=8909531 Colleen Zellmer

    This Article is awesome! Thank you.

    I have to say, I come from a long line of Republicans; Republicans who are not
    very educated on the topics at hand but vote republican because well, that’s
    what they were raised to do. And God forbid ever trying to teach them about the
    policies of each party.

    When Obama won last week my mother thought it was the end of the world as many
    Republicans thought. She had made the comment about how everyone voted for Obama
    based on social issues. I was very offended by her comment. Gay marriage is not
    just a social issue, it’s an economic issue. Immigration, not just a social
    issue, it’s an economic issue. Women’s rights and affordable health care, not a
    social issue but they are economic issues as well. Education and college and
    student loans also an economic issue.

    I cannot in good faith vote republican based on who I am.

    I am a college educated white woman who grew up in rural WI. I work for a
    company whose client is Planned Parenthood. When I did not have a job I used
    Planned Parenthood as my only source of health care. I have student loans that
    total more than $800 a month. I would hate to see what would happen to my life
    and others if Romney had won, I would be out of a job if he got rid of Planned Parenthood,
    I wouldn’t be able to afford going to the doctor, I wouldn’t be able to pay my
    student loans.

    I did not feel the policies represented by the GOP were policies that reflect
    what modern day America is about. America has every color, religion, background
    and sexual orientation under the sun. For a party to tell me what is right and
    wrong and wants to make laws based on their religious believes is unethical based
    on separation of church and state. If they want to make laws based on their
    religion beliefs then we need tax their church.

    My mother’s comment about how everyone voted on social issues is a gross misrepresentation
    of the educated affluent individuals of America. I was an educated voter this
    time (i didn’t vote the last 2 elections – gasp- i know!! ). I even looked at
    Romneys policies to see what was so likable about him. I even looked at Jill
    Steins policies. I read up on the issues and how it will not only affect me but
    the rest of America and the American economy. I didn’t look at policies and how
    it will affect us now, I followed logic and what history has taught us. I
    thought about how each policy will affect the nation now and in the future and
    for my future children.

  • BHarmon

    Great post ,thank you, for all the insight into the liberal mind. Forgive me if someone has already pointed this out in the comments, but are you too obtuse to not see the hypocrisy in castigating Romney for his “47 percent” comment and how we as republicans label democrats as the party of “free stuff” then proceed to paint all republicans with your own broad strokes. Pot meet kettle. Since you offered republicans all this wonderful advice allow me to offer a little as well. Short memories and complacency. Short memories as in 2000, 2004. Complacency, that wonderful human trait that allows us to take for granted what we currently have and then allow it to slip away. So gather ye rose buds while ye may for complacency giveth and complacency taketh away.

  • http://www.facebook.com/The.Yancey Yancey Poole

    Here, here!

  • Bridget

    From a fellow white Mayflower descendent, I cannot like this enough. Thank you so much for writing this and sharing it. It pretty much says it all.

  • David Greene

    Tremendous post. Bravo, Mr. Garland. Exceptionally well-written, elegantly argued, and unassailable in its accuracy. I’m pleased to share this with friends (some red, some blue, some purple) on Facebook.

  • barbara eckrote

    Amen……….and today Lindsay Graham had the audacity to say they are going after the Hispanic vote – that is right after they put up the fence; make the Hispanics pay a fine who are here; and about 10 other things. It made me SO mad I turned off the TV. They seem to just continue to shoot themselves in the foot.
    By the way, I’m a white woman who had enough and retired to Mexico eleven years ago after I sold my businesses, raised three kids alone and worked 40 years. Never took a dime of govt money until I turned 70 and started drawing my social security. I’m part of the 47% that don’t count – old and on the dole! ha……….

  • Pragmatic Progressive

    Brilliant, concise and devastatingly funny!

  • http://www.facebook.com/akselx Aksel Kargård Olsen

    Sounds like a slam dunk case you are making: reform or become obsolete. Only problem is that the kind of elasticities involved with catering to guys like you with a brain (i.e. what is the net benefit to the party of a change of course–win 5 considerate white guys, earn the wrath of 10 culture warriors). The context, after all is an electorate that has been cultivated to focus on frivolous details and insincere readings of facts by the likes of Fox News and the talk radio shows on and off for a generation.

  • DeLane

    Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. etc, etc, etc. Amen.

  • DanaC

    Fantastic article! I was really beginning to wonder if logical reasoning was becoming extinct haha. This reminds me of a quote I saw one day, “Republicans desire for Obama to fail more than they desire for America to succeed.”

  • Emily

    Such a great post! My backround is similar (though not mayflower–some Brit ship, I suppose), and I spent my 12 years of education in the humantities, which explains why I don’t qualify as rich, either. ;) . But the one thing I’d suggest is that by being education, you don’t quite fit the Republican voter. If the stats were correct, the top tend most educated states voted Obama (coincidentally, they are mostly coastal-ish), and of the bottom 10 in educated population, 9 voted Romney (Nevada being the exception). In my most mean moments, I believe that the republican party deliberately courts uneducated people, promising them that they’re morally better for their ignorance (usually through the anti-intellectualism of the evangelical church–the same folks with the Satan’s butt climate change statements), ensuring that a small group of insanely rich people will control the gov’t by promising the uneducated that should they ever be insanely rich, they’ll be protected from a few more taxes, too. When, of course, these people will NEVER be insanely rich–or even moderatley rich–because, wait for it, they’re not educated and education (including meeting the folks that are in the inner circles of wherever you want to be) is the way to be rich. It’s a brilliant plan: devalue the one thing that can help these people get out from under your influence. I see it often, too, as I’m a teacher. These kids who, even though they’re in college, are suspect of the entire process and are waiting to pounce on someone for “attacking their beliefs.” Well, duh, you’re in college to challenge your beliefs–or at least learn to think complexly about them.
    Anyway, i shall stop the rambling. My only point was that you’re right about so many things, except that the republican party wants you. They don’t. If they continue this way, they will never, ever want you. You’re scary. Very scary. (And, hopefully, so am I!)

  • Gussy2000

    As a college educated, middle income, heterosexual, married black male with a white wife living in a rural area, I can’t like and +1 this HARD enough.

  • dave84060

    Beautiful, brilliant! Thank you Eric

  • Faith LUber

    Eric: Bravo! Thank you so much for this. If the Republcan Powers That Be can’t understand your message, it’s hopeless for them. I still can’t figure out whether they really don’t get it or are just being willfully ignorant. They are certainly arrogant. I was in a depression for weeks, worrying about what would happen if President Obama lost the election. Surely, the Republicans would have considered that a mandate, even though they don’t believe that President Obama has one. This country needs to heal, but that will only happen if the Republicans realize why they lost and start to compromise. It doesn’t look very good, though, at this point. Still, I need to be hopeful.

    Again, thank you for this. I will be sharing it with my like-minded friends, and I’ll be subscribing to your column now.

  • http://www.facebook.com/carl.johnson.7564129 Carl Johnson

    Right on, Mr. Garland!! The GOP seems to be extremely proud of the fact of giving everyone the impression they’re a bunch of narcissist street punks. If you don’t agree with them on everything…….. you’re obviously a “”sick, twisted Commie” in their own eyes. They’re acting like a bunch of brooding, pouting, stomping, paranoid “”Limbaugh’s”" and it has to stop.

  • Julie Chappel

    Eric Garland for President

  • Frank Maier

    Well said. We are you! My wife is a Mayflower girl. We are a small business. We are financially comfortable and White as can be; but… We find the GOP unpalatable for all the reasons you list.

    Yes, well said. Kudos!

  • Bleeding heart Tree Hugger

    Love this! I wholeheartedly agree with EVERY SINGLE WORD!

  • Lynne

    Hi Eric, thank you for this funny and spot-on essay. I especially appreciate your comments about ignoring and/or politicizing science, as I share the same incredulity at the basic ignorance on display in the Republican party.

    Their tilt away from science, data and logic has resulted in inaction to deal with global climate change, hysterically inaccurate statements about biology, and fantasy-based talking points designed to inflame the electorate’s emotions. This is no way to lead a nation to greatness.

    Thus, I find it deliciously apropos that the Republicans lost this election, as it was their own refusal to look at polling data, facts, and impartial statistics that, in part, contributed to their party’s resounding defeat.

    Thank you again for a wonderful essay. I just hope some Republican leaders are out there and reading this.

  • http://421a.douglasavenue.com Erin Winking

    Eric, I don’t suppose you plan on running for President, do you? This was wonderful. Thank you.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Milton-Findley/100000804170632 Milton Findley

    Eloquently put and it certainly lists my own objections.

  • Theresa C. Mauro

    Remember, The [Un]Federal Reserve and its Eight European Families that run the World’s Show, regardless of who’s in charge as POTUS. These families have pushed their weight around the globe, and influenced the Industrial Revolution from as far back as their original inception in 1839, albeit under another name, such as Bank of the United States. Up until 1913, when Wilson, behind closed doors, during the Christmas holiday recess in the Houses of Congress, and the Senate, unwittingly signed The Federal Reserve Act into commission. Three former POTUS had been assassinated for not agreeing with this banking cartel and refusing to sign it into U.S. policy. Those were Lincoln, Garfield, and McKinley. And, whenever a Presidential upstart decided to repeal The Federal Reserve Act, they were either, somehow, debilitated as was FDR, assassinated as was JFK, and RFK, or character assassinated as was Clinton. And, they all had one mission in common, the dismantling of The Federal Reserve Banking System, which has nothing Federal, whatsoever, about it. One way to harness this hemorrhage of taxpayers hard earned cash is to re-instate The Glass-Steagall Act. But, what do the bought-and-paid-for-media, as well as, the two houses hand us? The Dodd-Frank Initiative which has no teeth, or guts to roll back all the deregulation that’s become a thorn in the side of the American Industrial-Manufacturing base. We can never recover if we don’t return this country to the leader it once was in the machine tool and die industry. If you want to destroy the United States as an industrial power you have to kill the machine tool industry (Detroit, Cleveland, Gary, Pittsburgh,) and destroy the steel belt, presently referred to as “The Rust Belt.” How many Americans living today even contemplate this? It’s also the secret behind the destruction of the U.S. auto industry. They don’t care about cars because they use automobile sales now as a means to loot the population with their 5 and 6 year loans. And, the [Un]Federal Reserve stands to lose all its European, and Third World, out-sourced profits because they won’t be able to hold sway over their “sweat shop” industrial bases overseas, if the U.S. can retain its supremacy as the leader in steel production, and in machine tool and die manufacturing. The U.S. machine tool industry is on the verge of oblivion. What was
    once considered to be one of America’s most important strategic
    industries — described by President Ronald Reagan in a statement on May
    26, 1986, as being a “vital component of the U.S. defense base” — the
    U.S. machine tool sector is in a freefall. Orders for new machine tools
    have virtually stopped. U.S. machine tool producers — the few that
    remain after years of unrelenting unfair trade practices — are doing
    whatever they can to stay alive. We, as citizens, need to go to the heart of the matter and understand what’s driving this chariot on its road to hell. Thank you for your time and a chance to voice my opinions on the matter. You are right on target and I truly commend your voice on the subject at hand. Bravo!

  • A Little Voice From The Middle

    I am just curious. You mentioned you were a small businessman. How many employees do you have? Below or above 50? What is the impact of Obamacare in your small business? Thanks!

  • http://www.facebook.com/zenna.avila Zenna Avila

    That divorce stuff started much longer before you say above; and as an aging Baby Boomer who has voted total Democratic ticket (even when husband convinced me to re-register as a Republican only to try & help McCain get in office, which I didn’t agree with … but my husband was convinced – and is now deceased, by the way), I wish you had not “generalized” those two items in much the same vain as do the very people you are writing “against.”

    Other than that, this is a very well-written essay and I applaud your efforts.

  • secondlook

    We are right there with you. I know many others. Takers? Hardly. We pay higher taxes that Mitt has to. I am sick of being told I bring nothing to this country. Some of us care about what we are leaving our children. Some of us care about others having healthcare. Some of us grasp who spent the money. While they have all of these problems you list, and perhaps some more? I do believe the meanness is what I despise the most. The fact they claim this while proclaiming to be the Christian’s is why I figure all across the US churches are losing memberships. Did I mention I believe in God as well? From the sound of things they are digging in. Because personal responsibility is only for everybody else.

    • secondlook

      I forgot. May your piece go totally viral. It sure needs to.

  • A Little Voice From The Middle

    I am a public school teacher who is not originally from here. Everytime I see free school lunches (federally funded) being thrown away and “free” public education not used to the fullest, I cringe. I like the way you painted the Republican party, but how about writing another essay to put in words the image of the Democratic Party? From where I live, it is the party that relates to the poor – I wonder how that came to be?

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      Isn’t it funny – nobody even bothered to ask “What do you think of the Dems?” Well, I have opinions, I tell ya! Let me get through all the emails and I’ll think about it.

  • chienblanc4csi

    Utterly fantastic article, I can’t thank you enough! One rather subtle thing that you didn’t mention outright was the truly hateful bigotry that permeated this campaign. I’ve been in the business of marketing/corporate identity, for 35 years, and in all that time there was at least a sense of decency in the Republicans that I have known, that kept the racism and sexism at bay. At least people seemed to know that this is a character flaw, not good political policy. But this time people just aren’t hiding it any more, as if there was some sort of pass given out somewhere, maybe a backlash against ‘political correctness’ . . . I don’t know. I know there was a serious “protest vote” in play this time by disenchanted and embarrassed Republicans. My own business clients – people I always thought of as decent, educated, and kind – sent me some of the most vile posts in email and social media, totally unprintable. Most of the worst were thinly disguised views right out of the KKK and neo-Nazi handbooks. The most disturbing thing is that these people must believe that I am of the same mind. I love my job, but there were recent days when my business partner and I both wondered if these clients were worth that sick feeling in our gut.

  • http://www.facebook.com/nan.kizziah Nan Kizziah

    Gosh. You’re my hero.

  • 20pizzapies

    Republicans shoulda took a lesson here , but they’re just gonna get meaner .They dont care if the sink the ship , as long as THEY are at the helm .Destructive, sanctimonious ,obstructionist bastards.

  • dawn toll

    I waited until your post was reinstated and I am so glad I did. You are a wonderful American and I applaud you. You state no lies and you did it with little nastiness :) . Thank you

  • http://www.facebook.com/shauntay.larkins Shauntay Vichelle Larkins

    Keeping it short and sweet, I laughed and wept when I read this…Brilliant in its simplicity and truthfulness.

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      You’re too kind.

  • Teedge

    wow. and if republican strategist doesn’t work out you are probably being considered for membership in the Klan…so you got that goin for ya.

  • A Republican Man

    You took the words out of my mouth, but I have a few more left. As lifelong Republican in hiding, I would like to point out the following fact sthat my most people don’t know or don’t remember about my party:
    1. Abraham Lincoln was our first Republican president. The Republican party was a new party founded by members of the anti-slavery movement.
    2. Republican Governor Ralph Carr was the only politician in the United States to take a stand against Japanese Internment during WWII and welcomed the internees into his state as citizens with full rights.
    2. More Republicans than Democrats in both the House and Senate voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
    3. Richard Nixon, a Republican president, created and signed into law the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). He also ended our involvement in the Viet Nam war that Democrat president Lyndon Johnson started.
    4. The majority opinion for the Supreme Court in Roe v. Wade (1973), which protected a woman’s right to privacy and made abortion legal, was written by Supreme Court Justice Harry Blackmun, a Republican and Nixon appointee.
    So a party that has roots in civil rights for minority groups, protection of the environment and a woman’s right to choose has become the opposite. We are now the party of uneducated white trash, bigots and religious fanatics. I hope my Republican friends are listening.

    • http://twitter.com/SharonLockwood8 Sharon Lockwood

      2. This isn’t true. [Maybe it’s the math that Republicans do to make themselves feel better/Thanks Megan Kelly.) The final vote in the Senate was:
      Democratic Party: 46–21
      Republican Party: 27–6
      The final vote in the House:
      Democratic Party: 153–91
      Republican Party: 136–35
      This particular myth has been around for a while. It’s easy enough to find the truth.

      • Me

        Sharon, can you do percentages? 46/(46+21)= 69% while 27/(27+6)=82%
        153/(153+91)=63% and 136/(136+35)=80% so yes, the republicans were more likely to vote in favor of it than the democrats. I think this is the point.

        • http://twitter.com/SharonLockwood8 Sharon Lockwood

          What a republican man said was:
          “More Republicans than Democrats in both the House and Senate voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964.”
          And that is not true. You don’t need to explain percentages to me.

    • mishael53

      Thank you for this reminder. We need to remember our history and that it’s not about party lines but about how we help each other so that we continue to be the great nation of opportunity we once used to be

    • MomsHugs

      Thanks for listing most of the reasons I voted Republican from 1965 to 1995, but left when the GOP slid off a cliff into Newt Gingrich’s arms & got into bed with religious fervor. It’s been downhill ever since. I didn’t feel comfortable with the Democratic party due to its heritage in the South & the role it played in Vietnam. Both parties should be taken to the woodshed for upwards of $5-7 BILLION wasted on campaigns that go on & on ad nauseum. The media is largely the beneficiary of this largess… or wealth redistribution. As a result, the nation has become way too politicized for our society’s own good.

    • http://www.goodhelpweb.com Goodhelp

      Take another look at Dwight Eisenhower’s role in early US involvement over in Vietnam, as the French wanted to get out of there.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Frank-DiSalle/100001529412008 Frank DiSalle

    Eric, there was a time when there were Republicans who agreed with Democrats – in the 1950′s. They were called “liberals”. Thanks to Lyndon Baines Johnson, William O Douglas and a bunch of hooligans in Miami and Chicago in 1968, the political landscape has changed somewhat. Perhaps you missed it. Second, your stereotypes of Republicans and their thinking lead me to believe that you are the last of the liberal Republicans.
    All you need do to fix that is change that (R) to a (D).
    And stop telling us what we need to do to make you happy. You voted for Obama; he won… YaY ! You can vote for him next time he runs… …Oh, wait !

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      Every time you talk about hooligans in Chicago in 1968 during a discussion of future political strategy, Rahm Emanuel high-fives Nancy Pelosi, and then they expand Obamacare by another 1000 pages while drinking soy milk lattes. Seriously, they love you.

  • Colin

    Excellent points on all counts, my dear… thirteenth(?) cousin (My family came over with the Aldens too). And I especially agree with the “meanness” factor. The biggest difference this election was that the GOP was trying to win undecided voters by basically saying even considering voting for Obama was stupid, despite the many issues that came into play.

  • Calico10000

    This was excellent. I too am a Mayflower descendent (hi cuz)  & come from a mixed marriage. Yes, my Mom was a Dem & my dad, a card carrying NRA Republican.  I learned at an early age that there is validity on both sides of almost every argument and that working together on areas of mutual accord leads to great results for everyone. Having said that, there is no way my father would have recognized his party in this last election. They made moderate Republicans look like flaming liberals & he never would have tolerated their racism and prejudiced social  policies at any time. 

  • http://twitter.com/whateverblah111 whateverblah

    @facebook-100001529412008:disqus What “stereotype”? Everything he mentioned is in the party platform. But keep believing that the republicans can compete moving forward without any changes. It will ensure that the anti-science, anti-gay, anti-environment, greed is good, party will be out of power permanently.

  • 1Obama Mama

    This is possibly the BEST thing I have read in the past 2 years, at least! You nailed it directly! Thank you so much for this. It is therapeutic just to read it, but I am passing this along to everyone and hopefully those who are Repub will actually read it! I will challenge them to do so!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1212828485 Graciela Tiscareno-Sato

    Wow. I want to meet you and shake your hand. Only the non-intellectuals will find a way to disagree with you. Wow.

  • Kevin T. Keith

    Points all well taken, except for this: why did you write this? Why do you care? Why are you trying to help a party as corrupt, vicious, and intellectually bankrupt as the Republicans? Seriously – assuming you’re right that continuing to be backward is going to continue to lose them elections, why are you trying to change that? No doubt it would be better for everyone if the GOP became a party of decent people with decent and reasonable ideas, but that’s not going to happen. The choices are between a racist, sexist, religiously insane, economically feudal and futile party of privilege and divisiveness with just enough pseudo-moderate talking points aimed at white women and Latinos to win elections, and a party that continues to be so bat-shit nasty and weird that they don’t win them anymore. And, frankly, the latter is preferable. Between the two, a GOP that is super-super-crazy and stupid is actually better for America than one that is merely super-crazy and stupid – because they’re less likely to attract people to their positions, and less likely to maneuver them into the law. So, again, why are you trying to help them win elections? What you seem to be saying is that you wish the Republicans were enough less repulsive that you could make yourself vote for them. If you were really opposed to the things they believe and promote, you would just support the party that actually opposes those things. Right?

  • http://twitter.com/Samuraiko Michelle Travis

    Well-written, logical, eloquent, and intelligent. Can I take your picture? I didn’t think political blogs like this existed… they’re usually vitriolic, hate-filled, flaming tardbeast rants. Yours was a pleasure to read.

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      Thanks Michelle – perhaps it’s different because this isn’t a political blog! It is in fact the first purely political thing I have ever written. Check around the site if you want to see what I am usually up to.

      This was one trend I just couldn’t keep away from any longer.

  • http://twitter.com/TracieKnits Tracie Knits

    I am also descended from the Mayflower through both my maternal grandmother and maternal grandfather (Alden and Browne) am also well educated, and I am also disgusted by the Republican party platform. Need I also mention that I am white, affluent and pay taxes? You are quite right on all points, however the party will not listen.

  • http://www.facebook.com/bennett.schneider Bennett Schneider

    May I just give KUDOS to the commentors here. This post has the highest level of quality, thoughtful commenting I have read online.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-King/729022005 Russell King

    A thing of pure beauty!!!!!!

  • Dave

    Absolutely awesome. So well written and articulated! Nice job and as a passionate American and patriot, I say, “Thank you” for writing this.

  • http://www.facebook.com/linn.denton Linn Denton

    All I can say is this is 100% bullshit! I was raised on a farm with many many bulls. I know what Bullshit smells like. This is a liberal hack people we have fallen for way to many lies. Let people with a so called Ivy league education run us into ruin. Let me ask you a serious question. If you guys are so dam smart why haven’t any of the last 4 presidents been able to right our faults? Why is it that we allow the sheer mention of them having an Ivy league education think automatically that they are all that smart? Give me a man with no political ties or baggage that the press can’t demonized and make into the most evil of all things in the universe and I will give you a president that can fix our problems. We should be calling this a nation wide state of emergency. The two parties are so divided on what I consider the very smallest of issues, we have way way more pressing issues than gay marriage and shame on them for making it such an issue in the election. I don’t or haven’t ever participated in gay bashing. But I can say without embarisment they know no shame so I guess it was not hard for gays to do. Back to the state of emergency, we need to have a complete turn over in government they are way to divided to ever rule and we cannot afford them. Can we afford another 4 years of this type of leadership. They have shown us the last 4 years absolutely no bipartisanship nothing so electing the same president is 4 more years of gridlock. Honestly guys we can’t continue as a nation like this it is economically not possible. If we continue like this we will fail as a nation. We have to realize if it to be it’s up to me. A government scared of their people is a good thing. I guess they call what I calling for a continental congress. Establish a government that can conduct the people’s business efficiently accurately and be bipartisan. It appears that the constition is only used now when it’s convient. Fringes want to ignore it most of the time except when it furthers their cause.

    • http://www.facebook.com/duncan.mcfarlane3 Duncan McFarlane

      You should be blaming the Tea party for that, not the media – it was the Tea party that refused to endorse any candidate who didn’t adopt their wacko views, forcing Romney to tack way to the right in e.g denying man-made climate change (in the face of all the science) , opposing abortion and gay marriage, calling for welfare to be scrapped entirely etc. He recovered a bit by trying to disown those views once he had the candidacy in the debates, but that just made him seem inconsistent and untrustworthy. And it was the Republicans that made gay marriage into a huge issue.

  • http://www.dpsinfo.com LaurieMann

    Excellent piece. The Republican party lost me permanently in the late ’90s. I’m a white, middle-aged woman, but I’m college-educated so there’s just no way I could vote for a Republican now.

  • skip

    Excellent, well spoken article. Thank you.

  • Carol Lieb

    One of the best letters I’ve ever

  • confirmedindependent

    Hey, Eric…many thanks. You summed it all up nicely. I’m another lily white one (tho not Mayflower material)…have a PhD in psychology, but heck, HMOs put that line of work right out of business (they did not exist when I started school in 1983 but as of now my grad school doesn’t even take students because you can’t make a living….why bother with therapy..there’s always prozac, right?) As I psychologist, I am very into people being responsible for their actions, this leads my republican friends to declare me a republican. But I also believe in giving people a chance, which makes me a democrat to others. Anyway, I’m now working as an RN and get to see firsthand all the abuse of the healthcare system and the extremely large population of “the entitled” who feel they deserve limitless hospitalization and pain killers round the clock (whether actual pain is present or not!). It’s all really demoralizing, But having tried to pay for health insurance when I was self employed (not to mention trying to get reimbursed as a provider) and knowing what that is about…well, I do wish there were a system that all could fall back on. (Which there is…called hospitals can’t turn away anyone for lack of insurance… and so the costs for everyone else goes through the ceiling, esp when the uninsured are the over-users of the hospital system.)
    Republicans say I’m republican and democrats say I’m a democrat….but honestly, i don’t think either party has the answers. Explains why I have been a “confirmed” independent for my entire life .Nevertheless, this election was a no-brainer. As you discussed, the asinine republican comments on reproductive issues were pivotal…I am thinking…okay, so these guys have law degrees, therefore college educations and they can actually spew this nonsense? Either they are incredibly Stupid, or they think the american people are incredibly stupid (enough to believe that hogwash). Either way, they don’t belong in office. then there’s the global warming issue….I just Love to hear Romney say that there should be no FEMA,…having been nailed by Hurricane Irene Aug 2011 (and I don’t even live in a flood zone). Sure, I suppose I could live without a furnace, water heater or well pump, which I would not have been able to afford because they were sure not in the budget (Yes, many individuals DO have budgets, unlike the US govt). My cousin came to help out….took one look at the area and his comment, “THIS is why we pay taxes.” All the info I could garner on Romney convinced me that if he had walked into my office (back when I HAD an office) I would have had to diagnose him as a sociopath. The dog on the car story not the least of it….if one is that cavalier about the welfare of an animal in one’s protection, it is very easy to extrapolate to how he would treat others for whom he was responsible…aka the American people. I saw a video of Mitt and Ann laughing it up about the incident, saying that “the dog loved it”. Sure, so if their kids thought it would be a hoot to be strapped to the top of the car, would they have done that too? guess if they needed more luggage space, it would have been an option. Yup, mean about sums it up. I thought Obama’s speech on the fiscal cliff was genius. I think he put the onus square on the shoulders of the republicans and if they can’t get with it, people might actually start checking whether their representatives went with the program or against it, and maybe those who don’t want to play will get voted out next time. Even if Romney were not so mean, he could never be so eloquent or down to earth. I think that Obama genuinely wants to solve the problems and is willing to work with others….let’s hope the republicans can “get it” that this is what everyone wants. But will they…..if they continue to stonewall,maybe…just maybe the “stupid” public will believe that it is all Obama’s fault and then they will win next time. Actually I think the two party system is stupid, it sets up for polarization. I’d like to see at least three VIABLE parties.

  • Jnxproof

    F.Y.I. Republicans control the House, majority of governorships (30) . . . Romney lost a fairly close election. Although both sides of the aisle are a little to far out there for my tastes the current machine only allows you to vote for the lesser of two evils. ( you sound as though you may be just as, if not more qualified for POTUS than our current President)

    • b_sharp

      332 to 206 is fairly close?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=769477387 Dan Sloan

        There were over 3 million votes difference. Not only that, this this the first time a sitting President has beaten a challenger during an economic malaise, with an unemployment rate of almost 8%. (And more people voted for Democrats than Republicans in the House, but gerrymandering allowed the GOP to keep control.)

    • http://www.facebook.com/duncan.mcfarlane3 Duncan McFarlane

      yes – it is quite scary that a party whose message is so far out of touch with reality on so many issues still gets a significant vote. The reason is that it has the backing of billionaires, big banks and big firms who fund it in the hope of having no restrictions whatsoever on how they can defraud the majority of the population of the US and the world – and many of them own TV stations and radio stations and newspapers. That and many people can’t afford a higher education, leaving them vulnerable to the propaganda that these media outlets spew out constantly.

  • Sharon A

    Great Letter. The only thing I would add is the pledge to Grover Norquist to never raise taxes again. He is not even an elected official! So sad. If you are a proud america, corporation that has done well in this country, you should be happy to pay your taxes. I’m not well off, but I am happy to contribute. Always have!

  • http://www.facebook.com/jack.bello.96 Jack Bello

    Congratulations for writing the most incomplete analysis. You failed to balance your analysis on both parties. I was tempted to go point by point and crtique. But I figured why bother because anyone in todays modern times that still points to one party vs the other is out f touch. We should as Americans select the best person for the job. Sadly you and anyone who voted for “O” missed the mark. Lets hope we survive the second term.

    • http://www.facebook.com/duncan.mcfarlane3 Duncan McFarlane

      Why? What’s threatening to kill you in the second term? Non-existent Obama “death camps”? A UN invasion? You’ll survive the second term barring a random accident or natural causes – unless you’re in the military in which case you’d be more likely to die under a Republican President because Republican Presidents go to war even more than Democratic party ones.

    • Jack Bello v. 2

      Congratulations for writing the most incomplete comment. I was tempted to go point by point and critique. But your comment lacked points for me to do so.

  • GMarkC

    Thank you!

  • MichaelCNH

    This posting left my nipples so hard that I could etch the author’s manifesto onto a large section of plate glass with them and not stop for a bathroom break, or even a restorative swig of whiskey. And I love my whiskey. Well said, sir.

  • http://www.jeffrey-ricker.com/ Jeffrey Ricker

    Eric, I’m so white my friends need to wear SPF around me because of the glare. I come from a New England family that arrived here in the mid-1600s—I guess we couldn’t get seats on the Mayflower—and I’ve been in Missouri for the past 24 years (no, I have no idea why, except that I went to Mizzou) and St. Louis for 20. But I’m also gay, so to the GOP I might as well not exist. Anyway, as someone who believes in paying his own way and giving back whenever he can, thanks for speaking reason and truth to power; they should sure as hell listen to you more than they will ever listen to me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Zidders-Roofurry/1721042135 Zidders Roofurry

    As a gay, white Mayflower-descended, 13th generation descendant of Roger Williams (through my great grandmother, Mary Williams) who also happens to be an independant…dude..you rock.

  • Dr Brian Hart, Astrophysicist

    I especially like your comments about science I am an astrophysicist and I’m really sick and tired of having people tell me that the theories of my field are incorrect especially brainless church pastors and others who make my career hard whenever I live in the red states because I believe evolution and support technology. Because I’m a specialist in those theories I’m vilified in strongly Republican areas and it’s made it hard to have a career in those states

  • Jack

    Once you told me you were from Vermont (home of the most self-hating white people in the country), I stopped reading. Please continue to vote for the party of ruining the traditional family, murdering unborn babies, job-killing regulations, and sanctioned discrimination against white males.

    As far as meanness goes, I’d like to direct you to this site:

    http://whitepeoplemourningromney.tumblr.com/

    So yeah, tell me about those mean Republicans. Go anywhere online and the level of internet gloating by liberals is disgusting.

    P.S. we lost by two percent, and we did because we had a nominee, while qualified, couldn’t take the fight to obama on the cultural issues where he’s way out of step with America.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=769477387 Dan Sloan

      For goodness’ sake. If the best you can do wrt to “meanness” is say “both sides do it”, you really don’t get it. This letter is CONSTRUCTIVE criticism for the GOP. Do you understand what that means? So pay attention. If the GOP wants to attract votes then they SHOULDN’T do what you say the other side does and be mean. Pointing your finger and saying “See!1!11! They do it too!” isn’t going to make your party more attractive to undecideds.

      Finally, saying you lost by 2% is a big deal. This has never happened in an economy with an unemployment rate of almost 8%. Not only did the nominee fail, but Congresspeople and Senators who agree with you on cultural issues lost, and lost big time.

    • http://www.facebook.com/duncan.mcfarlane3 Duncan McFarlane

      oh yeah self-hating white people, the mythical people racists have to invent in order to explain why everyone else isn’t as racist as them

    • http://www.ericgarland.co ericgarland

      Vermont is the whitest state in the nation at 95.5%. When my ancestors formed the Republic of Vermont in 1777, the first order of business was to ban the hideous institution of slavery. We then provided the first challenge to the despicable Fugitive Slave Act, and served as the last link in the Underground Railroad before Canada. We don’t hate ourselves – we have respect for all men, and have for centuries.

      Every liberal on this site is pleading for you to run even more candidates on the basis of “culture.” Keep up the good work!

  • MargieR

    I am also descended from someone who came over on the Mayflower. I also descend from African slaves brought here against their will, native Americans, from several sources, and my grandmother was a DAR. (Daughter of the American Revolution) which almost guarantees that Pocahontas is one of my ancestors. I am self employed with three businesses, including an organic farm and a grocery store to sell our food. I am a liberal, because I believe that we need to return to the Constitution of the United States, which guarantees freedom of speech, the right of all citizens to vote in elections, etc. I also want the government out of my daughter’s vagina and uterus!

  • Nicole

    I believe you may have been only tuning into and reading media that focuses on the frustrations of the GOP because I read, watched and witnessed quite the opposite. I find it disheartening that the very behavior you dispise you act out very openly in this article. You’re basically telling me I’m ignorant for not thinking exactly your way. My vote for President was for Romney and not because I think gays should not marry (I agree with marriage equality) or because I want abortion to stop (I actually would like it tobut more responsibly than outlawing it). I voted for Romney because I saw the job the President did over the last 4 years and I could not in good conscience vote for him to be responsible for our country for another 4 years. Simple.

  • Jim in NYC

    Please tell me you have a gay older brother…

  • TheEmperorIsStarkers

    Standing O.
    That is all.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=579802102 Wrenn Simms

    AS another white middle class Mayflower descendant (Rogers), with two degrees living now in NYC, I agree with you as well. (BTW, most of us Mayflower descendants actually do have american indian ancestors as well. These things happen. Only 4 adult women survived the first winter in Plymouth Colony.)

    I’ve been contracting (finance) since I was laid off in 09 after 13 years in the back and middle office of that industry. I lost my health care when COBRA ran out. I couldn’t find affordable insurance until ACA’s coverage for people with pre-existing conditions (in my case, Asthma) was set up. The cost is roughly half what I was originally quoted, and for better coverage than the freelancer’s union.

    Watching the blame game after this past tuesday has been very instructive. It really shows us that the Republican party is not a party anymore. It is a bunch of loosely and uneasily allied special interest groups, as each group blames the election on the candidate not being ‘truly’ aligned with their specific individual issue and position. And many of these groups will simply double down on their position.

    The next couple of years will be interesting. I don’t envy Boehner’s situation.

  • http://twitter.com/BBMolasses The Chocolate Fairy

    Oh my gosh, this is AMAZING. I wrote the other side of this… how if the GOP wants to survive, they need to stop making people like me – a middle class black woman born of immigrant parents who is not straight, and is in a committed relationship with a person of Islamic faith- the “other” to be feared and demonized by good “God fearing traditional Americans”.

  • Tricia

    Free birth control is a right? Really? Since when? Good God this country is much more of a mess than I feared. There has never before in history been a mandate on requiring BC to be covered and it’s never been difficult to get or been unaffordable. And Equal pay for equal work has also been on the books for years and no one, I mean no one was looking to change that. The Lilly Ledbetter act was a horribly constructed bill designed to boost pay for trial lawyers (and in votes from) and will actually make employers less apt to hire women. Come on ladies, stop being suckers for a political party that takes your vote for granted and instills fear in you about a Lady Part take over. We are rolling off an economic cliff which if nothing is done soon, taxes will skyrocket, unemployment will get much worse and drastic cuts will have to be made to social programs and oh yes, inflation will hit hard. But hey, we’ll all be equally miserable so I guess that’s something!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=769477387 Dan Sloan

      Why should viagra be covered by insurance (as it is) and not birth control?

      • Tricia

        Dan-Viagra is covered by some insurers by choice. Not all of them do and there may be some individual states require coverage which is completely different than a federal mandate. Plus Viagra doesn’t go against anyone’s religious beliefs. Be careful what you wish for by granting a government such enormous power, it can easily take other things away.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=769477387 Dan Sloan

          Logical fallacy: Giving doesn’t necessarily lead to taking away, and if that comes, we’ll fight it based on its merits.

          Secondly, no one’s religious beliefs are being violated. If people don’t want birth control, they don’t have to receive any. Part of living in a diverse multicultural society means allowing others the freedom to make their own decisions (and yes, partially paying for them) even if it goes against our beliefs.

          Thirdly, every insurance company funds Viagra and other male pharmaceuticals.

    • http://www.facebook.com/doc.marten Doc Marten

      Two words: SHUT UP. Nobody is listening to you anymore.

      • Tricia

        Wow, such intelligence, I’m blinded.

    • Anon

      (1) You pay for insurance therefore the birth control is not free.

      (2) $30 a month for non-covered birth control is cost prohibitive for those who barely make enough to put food on the table or young girls without a source of income [who admittedly probably should not be having sex but that's the reality].

      (3) “a Lady Part take over” is a very real possibility with Romney/Ryan party in the White House. Overturning Roe v Wade would most likely take away a woman’s right to choose. If you don’t think the government telling you what to do with your uterus is a take over, then I’m not really sure what qualifies.

  • http://www.facebook.com/bojennett Joe Bennett

    Thank you, sir. Very, very well written. As an overly-white male myself, I completely agree with everything you say.

  • http://www.facebook.com/doc.marten Doc Marten

    Amen, brother. Thanks from another white female decended from John Adams. :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/tmass76 Anthony Massey

    As a black, male, unapologetic moderate liberal I can’t tell you how much these words mean to me and people like me. I’ve had this discussion so many times with conservative friends only to dismissed as “slave on the Democrat plantation.” The funny thing is that despite your very poignant and detail piece, the extreme right wing that has basically high jacked the more moderate “party of Lincoln” will easily dismiss you as an anomaly. It’s the symptomology of confining intellectual conversations to a mirror. I’m sharing these words with every single person that will read them – including conservatives. Hopefully Republicans will realize that appealing to minorities is the least of their worries, they are quickly losing the very base they think they are pandering to!

  • Sherice

    oink.

  • FXTibbets

    Fine work, sir.

    I’m also a white, middle class, educated male (CMSU — Go Mules) who works hard and doesn’t expect any free anything. I was raised (also in Missouri, but over in KC) not even to expect an allowance. My first job was at an amusement park standing in parkinglots at 15 for less than minimum wage and I paid my way through everything but the first three semesters of college (and Dad paid for those, with cash he and Mom saved). I own two homes, have a wife who is also wonderfully in the GOP demographic and we both work for actual businesses that expect profits and growth. We both pay taxes (lots and lots of them). If we could have had kids, we would and if we weren’t too old we’d adopt. We own and like to shoot our firearms.

    We should be the perfect GOP voters, but we’re not. We’ve both voted Dem (and held our noses most of the time) since we started voting.

    Both of us reject the GOP for two simple reasons:

    Neither of us are Christians (or Jewish) and the GOP simply demands that a Christian theocracy rule America. That’s not going to fly with us. Biblical law, Sharia law, Talmudic law, none of it. Separation of church and state is one of the things that keeps America great.

    Also, both of us refuse to vote for anyone — from either party, no matter how otherwise rational and sane — who runs on a platform of hate and fear. If the best the GOP can come up with is “lazy black people” or “OMGmuzlimzeverwherez” they lose our vote automatically. We don’t hate black people, we don’t hate white people, we don’t hate Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists or Pastafarians. We don’t hate poor people, rich people, people who live in the city or people who think the height of American culture is a cul-de-sac and a SuperWalMart. We’re not afraid of Muslims or gays or blacks or Jews or people with PhDs (Ok, we’re really fond of the PhDs, even Gingrich — admit it, when he’s not being a windbag, he’s endearing and would be awesome at a dinner party) because America is one truly badass place with much more resiliency than the GOP wants everyone to think. And we won’t vote for anyone cynical enough to run on a platform of hate and fear.

    We want — really want — this to be a country where people can be billionaires and be happy about it. But as long as the billionaires are using cynical, hateful ploys like gay marriage amendments and the beautifully packaged and marketed Tea Party (seriously, the Tea Party is as pre-fab as the Monkees) to energize their base, I can’t be a part of the GOP.

    • http://twitter.com/houdini77 houdini77

      Hey FX…..I too graduated from the University of Central Missouri (class of 72) formerly known as CMSU. I applaud your reasons for not supporting that most awful of emotions….”h*te” which I can barely even write and haven’t USED in words since 1987 and am MUCH better off for not saying.

  • Sherice

    oink. oink.

  • Sherice

    oink. oink. oink.

  • Sherice

    stop deleting my oinks.

  • Sheraton

    Thank goodness there is a man who has the guts to speak out about what is being thought by many a freedom loving American.

  • angrywhitewoman

    How can I say this politely? This is article is crap. You are an elist. You demonize the Republicans. Yet what right do you have to lump Romney with Sen. Atkins views on rape. Take a look at Romneys record as Governor of Massachusetts as proof. (How the hell did Atkins every get to be on the Science Committee anyway?) Where are the Democrats on the national deficit, now at over one trillion $, what is their solution to the looming crisis with Medicare, and what is their solution to improving the economy. Why have the Democrats in Congress never taken any of the responsibility for the housing crisis? It seems that Democrats demonize Republicans over social issues to cover up the fact that they have no solutions to any of the fiscal problems facing this country.

    • Paula

      I definitely understand that Romney and Akin (and Mourdock, etc.) are not the same people, however, Romney did not come out and say, “this is wrong, it has to stop.” Repeatedly Pres. Obama questioned why this was even an issue, stressing that rape is rape. Meanwhile, Romney continued to endorse candidates who made really crass (to put it lightly) comments about rape. I wanted to trust Romney’s Mass. record, but he went so far to the right in the primaries only to swing back to the middle for the general election, I felt I couldn’t believe him; he had to be moderate in Mass., but was that really him or just another act?

      If Romney had stepped out and said that these comments were wrong and had to stop, I think it would have carried a lot of weight, and I would have been a lot happier with him. More than that, I think independents would have been a lot happier with him. I was never going to vote for him, but I might have trusted him a bit more.

    • John__Q

      “Take a look at Romneys record as Governor of Massachusetts as proof.”

      Take a look at Romney’s approval level when he left office as governor of Massachusetts. And the percentage of the vote MA gave him in this past election.
      These were the people who had actually experienced Romney being in a top government position. You’d think their opinion might have given pause to anyone thinking of voting for him – but apparently there were millions who chose to ignore his failure in office,

  • Debra Combs

    This is EPIC. This is one of the best letters I have read in ten years. You have laid it down. Thank you..for saying what we all want to. Well…the ones who very obviously share these views and opinions. You ROCK!

  • http://www.facebook.com/melissa.holman.77 Melissa Holman

    I did not vote Democratic or Republican in this past election. I could not, in good conscience, support either of the main candidates and their big government stance (two sides of the same coin). The deal breaker for me was the Republican primaries this year as each candidate (with the exception of one or two) continually told all of America why the other candidates weren’t worth their vote and then turned around, endorsed one of them and began to tell the people why this guy deserved their vote. This seemed completely idiotic to me. I researched the other candidates running for office and one of them secured my vote. I hope and pray for many things in regards to our national government and citizenry…most of all that everyone would pull their heads out of the nether regions, stop the division, get to work and get a clue. The continued rants after the votes were tallied only proved to me that my vote was not wasted (I tell my kids, the only wasted vote is the one for the candidate you don’t believe in). Thanks for your rant….well said.

  • Elise

    Thanks, Eric! Well said and desperately needed.

  • frankelee

    I am but one voice among many saying the same thing, but bravo sir. Bravo.

  • http://www.facebook.com/adam2480 Adam Sawoch

    Excellent, could not have stated the obvious better.

  • John Hays

    Great article.

    I also fit the demographic you posted (though no graduate school, I am an executive in one company and starting another on the side — I increased my day job department’s staff by about 200% during the recession and total payroll by more) and raise you one — my ancestors come from the South!

    We need to wake up to the fact the US has been telling itself how “exceptional” it is, that it has found itself with an over sized military and behind in many, if not most, measurable government policy impacted areas; education, infrastructure, health care, upward economic mobility, personal privacy, declining innovation due to misdirected intellectual property laws, … and we have a tax system that is corrupted that favors those who are well connected over the average citizen.

    I invite everyone to review the tax proposal at http://www.thetransactiontax.org and see if it doesn’t make a lot more sense. Then join the discussion at https://www.facebook.com/events/220065621459061/

    Such a tax system would increase economic activity, reduce corruption (no special tax treatment — less lobbying), and fund the legitimate activities of government without a deficit. (We could even invest in those areas where we are behind.)

  • Jerry

    Nice article! I’m also a white college-educated male (Masters degree as well). Have a good job, and also pay a lot of taxes every year. “Atlas Shrugged” is actually one of my favorite novels! Given that, you’d think that I’d be all over the Republican party’s economic platform — and, when viewed in a vacuum, parts of it do make sense. In practice, however, it’s hard to ignore the trainwreck that both Bush-era fiscal policies, as well as the current state of healthcare in America are. Obama’s solution to both may not be perfect, but at least he’s trying.

    But, as it turns out, there’s another reason I’m a die-hard Obama supporter (despite having been a registered independent 4 years ago). Like I’ve mentioned, I’m a white male; I’m also (typically) well-dressed, articulate, and don’t have a ring on my finger. Nice older midwestern and southern ladies offer to indroduce me to their daughters all the time. Unfortunately for them, underneath the conservative prepster exterior, I’m a raging homosexual! Given that, the Republican party’s views regarding my relationship with my partner are rather difficult to ignore. In fact, I think that one of the big wake up calls for the Republican party should come from Maine, Maryland, Minnesota, and Washington state. Even 4 years ago, it seemed impossible that any state would pass a same-sex marriage mandate by a popular vote… and then, bam! 4 states in a row. The views in America are, well, evolving, and if the Republican party plans on having candidates like Rick Perry prance around in a cowboy jacket and decry the abolishment of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, they may find themselves to be largely irrelevant.

  • http://www.facebook.com/nicothebassdude Nick Smith

    Watch it man, the republicans are gonna come after you just like they did Gov. Christie for praising Obama’s handling of the superstorm Sandy.

    In all seriousness though, I thought I was the only one left in the country with these sentiments. I’ve considered myself a Republican in the past, though now I don’t take a side. Mostly due to the stupidity of the current state of the party.

    • John__Q

      “the republicans are gonna come after you”

      Yep – DepthTested did just that. (A few comments above.)

      And to show how much of the Koolaid he has drunk, he really thinks that Obamacare is a “massive government centered system”, and he has joined the ranks of climate deniers.

      Demonstrating that he’s just another low-information voter for Romney…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002894268970 Tom Pardue

    Eric, I am a middle-class, middle-aged white male with a college degree and a profession. Sadly, I lack distinguished ancestry such as yours (my people were the Irish who got here by swimming along behind the Mayflower, telling them to either slow down and let them on board…or at least lower a few flagons of grog to ward off the chill of the ocean…). I should be Republican bait, too–but find the Republican party and the anencephalics who inhabit it to be so objectionable that I wonder that they get any votes at all.

    But here’s the good news: this past week, we began pulling weeds. Not all, and nowhere near as many as we should have, but nevertheless, we ARE pulling them. IN 2014, we’ll get more (for I harbor no foolish notion that they will suddenly turn into roses) and the rest of the worst by 2016. They are incapable of change. We are incapable of tolerating their boorish obstructionism. And there’s a lot more of us than there are of them…

    Oh, and BTW–great essay!

  • Snipper

    Bravo

  • DepthTested

    You were NEVER going to vote for a Republican. Don’t insult my intelligence. As for the various topics, Republicans are not against healthcare reform, they’re against a massive government centered system. Especially when we’re $16 trillion in debt and our current entitlement system is bleeding us dry. For me, this is the bottom line. But you are right about Republicans spending too much. Then again, to compare Obama’s spending to GOP spending is ridiculous. Not even close. So yes, Republicans are the lesser of two evils. Besides, spending in good economic times on limited cost items that can be cut, such as military spending, is different than a massive never ending entitlement. It’s disingenuous to state otherwise.

    As for climate change–or whatever they’re calling it this week, your reasoning is like a 12 year olds. Storms, droughts, and natural disasters have been happening forever. I heard an idiot lump the Japanese tsunami in with climate change. Are you kidding me? And yes, I saw your credentials. Whatever. Tossing degrees around is stupid liberal trick that only impresses other liberals. (Like my liberal friend who name drops dead philosophers.)

    On social issues I agree with you. I’m beginning to think a Libertarian party is the way to go. Maybe I should have voted for Gary Johnson.

    • Voted for Gary Johnson:

      Out of curiosity, are you taking issue with the way Mr Garland chose to “prove” climate change or are you questioning the existence of climate change?

      If it’s the latter [which I'm assuming it is given your rant about stupid liberal tricks], then your intelligence deserves to be insulted. Yes storms, droughts and natural disasters have been around forever. But there are ridiculous amounts of data (by non-partisan groups, if that matters to you) detailing the increase in volatility, frequency and magnitude of these weather events in the past few decades. Obviously the Earth and weather are two very complex things to study and understand; so, no, maybe the exact cause/causes of climate change cannot yet be determined but yes climate change exists.

  • Tony Skaggs

    Thank you sir! Your part about the meanness is what hits home to me!

  • http://twitter.com/7407413a 7407413a

    Much of your message should be a wake up call to Democrats as well

  • Anthoula

    You rock – so thankful that someone is finally speaking the truth. Thx the Greek Gods

  • disqus_wDHHH9MBLe

    Leftist, democrat, liberal drivel.

  • Granny Donovan

    Boom, boom and BOOM – DING, DING, DING! We have a winner!!! I say billboards
    ANYWHERE and EVERYWHERE across America, particularly the RED states,
    and, and, AND!!! I believe this deserves a Pulitzer, Nobel peace prize,
    all of the above, perhaps?? Ah hem, yes, okay. Thank you – don’t get up,
    I’ll show myself out. Peace and Love, Eric Garland~

  • http://twitter.com/annmariastat annmariastat

    I love this post! I am married to an affluent, educated, white male. I’m a Hispanic female job-creating, hard-working, small business owner with three graduate degrees. Like you, I was born here. I started my first business at 27. I even lived in St. Louis for a few years and got a degree from Washington University in St.L. I’m married, church-going Catholic, have four kids. Neither I nor my husband nor the 3 kids old enough to vote (all employed and tax-payers) voted Republican for all of the reasons you mentioned above.

  • jimwoodson

    Thank you Eric for putting into words what i thought and wanted to say but just never was able to put it all together at one conversation. that was beautiful. Thank you!

  • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.maisel Lisa Browning Maisel

    I shared your article on my Facebook page, and this is the heading that I put with it. This is exactly how David and I feel about the Repubs. They are spiteful, childish and mean. They claim that the only reason they didn’t win was because “Real Christians” didn’t vote (despite exit polls showing that 70% of those voting identified themselves as a Christian). Well, I’m a real Christian. I have friends and family members who are gay, I believe in global warming, I’m in the trenches of our healthcare system every day (and have extensively studied socialized medicine in other countries, while actually in those countries) and I’m here to tell you that it is broken. I know what causes pregnancy, and believe that every single young person should have access to birth control (hell, if I was in charge it would be in vending machines on every damn corner). I believe that knowledge is power, and we need to stop teaching kids to just pass the test. I have been working hard since I was 12 years old, and don’t rely on anyone else to help me out. I’m happy to pay a tax rate of 28%, because we can afford it when others cannot. David and I are in the top 5% of earners across the U.S., and we are by no means rich. I believe in helping people out, and in teaching them to help themselves. I do not believe when my candidate loses, that I get to act like a big friggin’ whiner.- Thanks for your wonderful post. I know that we can say anything we desire, and it will fall on deaf Republican ears. They will chalk it up to us being brain washed, or lying, or from outer space…whatever! They will not stop me from saying how I feel. I have people I am friends with on Facebook who have thanked me for being a voice of reason, and for showing me that there are other viewpoints. Thanks so much for your viewpoint, and if you ever decide to run for office, let me know.

  • Lua

    This is THE BEST thing I’ve EVER read!! HAHAHA!!! OMG, you are BRILLIANT! I wish EVERYONE could read this! Thank you SO MUCH for writing and ARTICULATING what ALL of us UNITED citizens are feeling in this climate! I will share this with all my friends and family…they’ll LOVE IT! Thanks again for representin’ so thoroughly!

  • http://www.facebook.com/paul.harris.925059 Paul Harris

    The way you describe yourself pretty much describes me as well except
    that I have always been a bachelor; I concur with your assessment of
    the situation. I would add that irresponsible breeding contributes a
    great deal to the problem. Likewise, our foreign policy of giving away
    money by the billions to buy friends is an absurdity; Wasteful spending
    on wars (police actions) such as Somalia, Vietnam, Korea, and
    Iraq/Afghanistan have wasted taxpayer dollars and lives. The hoards of Mexican refugees who illegally entered this country aren’t an asset either; the resources to care for them deprive others entitled to care of that care. Thanks for a
    well written article. You’re right about the demonizing of people like
    us. However, I will suffer the slings and arrows rather than capitulate to the stupidity.

  • Ookook Eekeek

    1. So this means, more so than ever, if you don’t go along, then prepare
    to be hunted down and repaired. Don’t like something, make it vocal,
    speak against the deity de jour, then prepare to be “taught” by the
    ‘trending’ crowd. 2. I could give two shits either way. I don’t vote for the psychopaths
    from either party as they hardly differ, if only in their rhetoric; but
    the end results are the same. 3. What I read, view, and hear online, is just a new and improved version of gloating; with an intellectual ‘trustworthiness’ and a soulful racial connection that almost has a money-back guarantee on it. But it is the same rhetoric, now with an angelic choreography. 4. I am printing this out, and god willing in four years, I would love to see it all come true.

  • PhoenixPDX

    Oh, THANK you. I read it aloud to my husband and we both loved it..

  • http://twitter.com/dyoder Dan Yoder

    This is great, except that, if only the votes of white males older than 21 were counted, Romney would have won in a landslide (501-37)[1]. Your essay makes that reality especially poignant, because it means that Republicans really do simply need to do just a little better with women and minorities and they’re right back in it. As opposed to, you know, “disband the party and reorganize it to reflect current realities.”

    [1] See: http://www.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeedpolitics/what-the-2012-election-would-have-looked-like-with

  • Col. Kevin M Jankoski

    Elizabeth in VT, I am in Mitch McConnell’s home “Commonwealth” not a state, what do ou know of the conditions in our Commonwealth. This Liberal Democrat is not the guy the Republican party is going after. The only point he made was that there are more Democrats than republicans historically this happens from time to time. The only problem the GOP had this time around was that we thought Democrats like this non god believing Democrat that wrote the article would see that Obama has been the worst economics president since Carter and that his disdain for the constitution of the United States actually means something to us God believing bible belt living church going married for 26 years happily who dont oppose gay unions just want to preserve marraige former uniform wearing veterans of this countries military. By the way I walked Iraq and you dot know shit, had you seen half of what I have, you would know Sadam Hussien had to go…….Republicans suck at running wars really? At least we dont telegraph our departure times to the enemy at least we dont cover up the affairs of the guy at he top of the cia who couldnt greenlight a rescue mission for his people trapped at a burning benghazi embassy because he was getting a blowjob. You are not even close to what he republican party is looking for, were looking for a few good men, son you aint it.

  • http://twitter.com/HBPolymath Tiffoknee

    Mr. Garland, as a Blaxican American (my late father’s cheeky coinage) your eloquent and impassioned plea has left me wishing there were more Republicans like you. As one commenter has noted, as much as it would delight me to see the current version of the Republican Party shuttled off into obscurity, I firmly believe that our democracy still needs varying viewpoints to engender a thriving marketplace of ideas. It’s how we learn from one another. I’m a Progressive, but I’m not so foolish as to be blind to matters of fiscal integrity. It’s a fiction amongst many conservatives that all Progressives are profligate moochers with no concern for budgets. Far from it. I care about fiscal discipline, but not at the expense of the opportunity, dignity, and humanity of citizens. I just read a NYT article about the identity crisis the GOP is facing. It’s been a popular topic of late. What I hope is that the GOP realizes it’s going to take more than pushing forward a George P. Bush or Marco Rubio to garner the support of the diverse demographic which has eschewed its policies. You’ve gotta do more than just talk the talk, you’d better damn well walk the walk.

  • http://www.swift2.blogspot.com Swift2

    What happened to conservatism? They bought themselves a bubble. The right-wing business on radio and cable is to provoke hysteria and collect the over-stimulated audience. The righteous anger makes them adrenaline addicts. End-of-the-worlders.

  • Spacerabbit

    This is awesome. I have read this three times today. I have posted it three times on my FB page. I have emailed it to friends who aren’t on FB. Concise, precise, insightful, informative, intelligent, stimulating…and on and on. I came home from work and read all of the comments. I am thrilled to read so many thoughtful intelligent opinions after months of reading so many straight up batshit comments from rightwing trolls hell bent on infecting rational discourse with their fanatical ravings of doom gloom. And then came Larry. I just could not read the on going drivel spewing from his twisted and chaotic thought process. Comments that followed in response were well stated and filled in the gaps that i bypassed and only confirmed my suspicions that finishing reading it would be a waste of time. BTW…you have a beautiful family and your children are blessed to have such caring and insightful parents.

  • sp md

    I am not sure that you are the classic white male voter for the GOP. I saw a chart that was supposedly created from us census data that showed which states went to OBAMA and Romney and how that correlated with the 10 most educated states and 10 least educated states. I didn’t necessarily agree with their “definition” of education -it was something like percentage of people over 25 with college degrees…anyway, the top 10 educated states went almost all to OBAMA and the bottom 10 went mostly to Romney. You, my friend and your wife, are too educated to fit in. As a physician myself, I know many don’t like OBama care because of the cuts in reimbursements. however, it is tough to see what happens to the poor who come into er’s all over the country and not want a system that will improve the bottleneck in the er of people who can’t get care elsewhere…

  • http://www.facebook.com/fernando.salazar.5667 Fernando Salazar

    I love your reasoned way of laying out the situation and I agree with everything you say. Unfortunately I am not sanguine about prospects for change. Yes, GOP lost this time, but the outcome could have been different. There are just too many people who don’t use critical thinking and view politics as a tribal activity where the main focus is to get with a group and then shout “We’re #1!” as loud as possible. My FB is dotted here and there with people I actually like, who nonetheless support Romney, Ryan and the GOP in general. In every case these people are working directly against their own self-interest — none are wealthy, many work in public sector jobs, and on both counts they would have paid heavily under an R/R administration. But they buy the soundbites, that “Obama apologizes for America”, or that “Obamacare is destroying our freedom”.

    As long as the GOP can get 50% of people to think like this, +/- 2%, they will feel they always have a shot and will continue on as they have been, going back to Reagan.

  • PackMan97

    You do Bush 41 a disservice He raised taxes because we needed more revenue, and that undoubtedly cost him the ’92 election.

  • K

    Eric,

    I’m a bleeding heart, blood spurting, poor, liberal white woman of 48, single mother of six children, almost grown, all productive members of society, and three grandchildren. I was raised in a wealthy Irish Catholic, Caucasian alcoholic, abusive household, with most of the abuse inflicted on me. Having survived a 20 year abusive marriage, and yet another ten year abusive relationship (!), I have been free of it for two years now and enduring a brutal healing process. While trying to get ahead in life and escape all the abuse inflicted (don’t be fooled, wealthy folks can be extremely abusive, their money just allows them to hide it better), I was in school pursuing a Master’s in psychology, when I was sideswiped by three major illnesses and I could not continue. I thank God for state assistance that has kept me alive while awaiting two surgeries that I now need. “Welfare” has kept my head above water while my two youngest son’s high school and go onto college next year. My wealthy, white Irish Catholic family voted Republican of course and always has. You might imagine, given my history, that I would not take too kindly to the video that presented Willard at a $50,000 per plate dinner, abusively bashing, with utter glee and barely disguised contempt, 47% of us, who are currently under duress of some sort and, well you know, LOVING every minute of our “laziness”, ravenously sucking off the teet of our government, and not taking responsibility for our lives. It was when I watched that video that I realized that there was a bit of “disorder” going on, a narcissistic/psychopathic entity with no empathy, no core, no values, overwhelming sense of entitlement. Imagine my angst at the possibilities of this man getting into office. Thank God for Nate Silver, whose intelligence and numerical ability kept me from the brink of insanity near the end of this election cycle.

    This article is absolutely brilliant. While your eloquence in articulation is much more advanced than mine, I was extremely appreciative of your intelligent, sarcastic, real and distinctly honest approach to the GOP agenda and clear MODERATELY descriptive approach to conservatism with your own views. Shit, I’d vote Republican if you were running….and no I’m not yelling, I apparently do not have access to other means of italicizing.

    It’s refreshing to speak in glowing terms of someone who is a Republican and represents what is truly “fair and balanced”. I’ll be passing this on!

    K

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.richman.10 Michael Richman

    Bravo, Eric Garland.

  • mishael53

    Thank you so much for this post. I used to be a Republican but cannot stand any longer the ridiculousness that is touted by the main spokespeople of the party. As a staunch Christian, I truly cannot understand how members of the Republican party who claim to be “Christian” and uphold “Christian” values can speak their lies and insults so boldly. It makes me flinch that they supposedly represent my faith, as if anyone who’s ever read the Bible knows that Jesus did not uphold oppressing the poor, oppressing immigrants, and oppressing women. He spoke against hypocrites and bullies – hey that pretty much sounds like he spoke against the main representatives of the Republican party! Anyways, as an Asian female voter, I’m glad there are some white folks who get it

  • Rick-in-California

    Great! You could simply substitute my name in place of yours in the various rationales … With no difference in perspecdtive, even given the fact that this white boy’s parents were first generation Americans, whose parents came over 300 years after the Mayflower. And I grew up on a dead-end street in the non-rural area known as Brooklyn. And I made my way by earning my way thru 8 years of higher education, and worked in academia, high tech, and construction (the latter to be able to have health insurance when my wife and I were both laid off in the 2003 dot-bomb era).

    And a note to both parties … even tho “only” 40% of white males voted for Obama and the Dems, that 40% is still a rather significant number of people, and without us, the election would have gone quite differently. The values of this 40% and the values of the many other groups who voted as we did are congruent.

  • http://twitter.com/Peony459 Marie Therese

    Brilliant! Bravo!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000025178120 Nikki North

    Hear, hear!

    I’m speechless, and not because I disagree with what you have written, just the opposite, I agree with *every* point you raised.

    I live in Canada under a far right wing government – the first we’ve ever had. The nastiness and poor fiscal policy (my great great great grandchildren will be paying off the current deficit) combined with the corporate pandering has reduced Canada to a shell of its former self. The so called “Christian Conservatives” in power here have severely cut services to veterans, women ( white men are still fine ;) ) science, the environment, settlement services for immigrants… I could go on and on. I have come to the conclusion that these types hide behind religion in order to appeal to the masses.

    I pray my fellow Canadians remember the US election (2012) in 2015 when its time to elect our next Prime Minister.

    Great blog by the way. I now have you bookmarked.

  • aamacdowell

    Nicely written article. As a middle aged white man, I feel the same as the author. I listened to the republican argument, I read their literature. I am baffled as to why so many US people (48%) vote for them. Maybe things change slowly and/or people are swayed by the irrational and misleading arguments.

  • Tim Barrett

    Interesting how you cite “meanness” while using
    words like “decrepit mental fossil”, “deficit minds”, “intellectual pig
    dung”, “you deserve everything happening to you, etc.” As someone whose
    candidate just won an election, you sound like a really nice guy. And,
    by the way, you being someone who defends killing innocent babies;
    believes Al Gore’s ice-hockey science; thinks that just because many
    families failed, we should throw away the age-long institution of
    marriage; believes that government-controlled health care is the solution;
    and defends that Obama is the best equipped to keep American’s safe around
    the world; etc; I would hardly say you are a “low hanging fruit”.

    • Bill D

      Well, try taker, moocher, lazy, socialist, communist, Marxist, fascist, Nazi, traitor, anti-American, immoral, anti-freedom, wants the terrorists to win, ungodly, America-hater, pagan, Muslim, etc. etc. etc. That’s what your side routinely calls people like us, and we are just fed up with it.

      (Not that the religions listed above are bad, just that they are some of the bogeyman used by Republicans to incite fear, bigotry, and yes, outright hatred from the self-proclaimed “godly”.)

  • http://www.facebook.com/geoffrey.horning Geoffrey Horning

    Thank you, Thank You and Thank You. You’ve summed up everything I’ve wanted to say for a while. As a registered Missouri Republican, who happens to be white (ish), lives in the suburbs of a small mid-mo city, is college educated and even served as a city councilman for a term it is hard to put into words why I just can’t buy the GOP party line anymore. I grew up in a single parent household and my mother almost always had two jobs. I started work professionally at the age of 15, I served in the Military (active duty USMC and Navy Reserve). I went to first tech school and then college at night while working. I am a firefighter/paramedic with a BA and I’ve worked two jobs for the majority of my life. I pay my taxes, I’m responsible, I’m law abiding. I currently work overseas as a contractor (program director at a medical sciences college) because the job market in Missouri just isn’t there. I don’t want any free stuff, don’t live off of handouts, and have never filed bankruptcy. I believe that climate change is real, and that you not only hit the nail on the head regarding marriage, but that you hit that sucker solid and drove it home with one swing. I think whats driven me nuts over the past couple of years (decades?) is the implication that I’m somehow standing around with my hand out, or that I’m less than patriotic when I demand real solutions and answers from aspiring politicians. I became a Republican because I was a two job working, lots of tax paying, married white guy who had served his country and didn’t believe in “welfare” for lazy people. Somewhere along the line (maybe always) the party became a lot less about me and my family and a lot more about profit margins and fear tactics. They’ve come real close to losing me forever. The good news is that the education I helped fund with student loans has made me capable of thinking on my own and actually seeing through some of the rhetoric, that many worse off, less formally educated folks than myself still cling too. Again, thank you, one of the best articles I’ve ever read on the subject.

  • Stentor7

    Great article Eric, as another tenth-generation caucasian American (WASP), I agree with your article completely. On my father’s father’s side, my direct paternal ancestor was only a Hessian Mercenary who fought for the English before defecting to the side of the Colonists during the Revolutionary War in 1776, but on my father’s mother’s side of the family, I can trace my lineage all the way back to 1600s Boston, so while maybe not as bleach-white as yours, I do have a background that proves my family has been here longer than 99.99% of the rest of America, & yet I love immigrants & despise Nativists with every fiber in my body. One thing I noticed you didn’t really touch on as hard as the other topics. I have blacks in my family, I have Native-Americans in my family, I have gays in my family, I have immigrants in my family, first generation-ones. We have 330 million people in this country, & room for many more, so why is it that the Republicans are so nativist?
    But the one thing I always noticed was that the Republicans always seemed staunchly anti-education. As the offspring of two teachers with five degrees between the two of them, three bachelors, two masters, & a PhD, everytime the Republicans came into power in our area of government, they were constantly cutting the budgets for education, thus ensuring low paying salaries for the teachers of my midwestern red state. So much that I remember when George H.W. Bush ran, he called himself the “Education President” to distinguish himself from other Republican Presidents. The shameless way the Republican Party tries to undercut the budgets for education at every turn, by advocating vouchers, cutting budgets, opposing teachers unions, relentless promotion of home-schooling & charter schools, constantly trying to reform education by cracking down on the teachers, rather than recognizing education is an investment, means that they will never get my vote as long as they keep pursuing these policies, plus the ones you mentioned above.
    I am a laser-optics device physicist with three degrees from the University of California at Berkeley, & my wife (also from your home state by way of Rutland) is currently working on her second degree in nursing. So I guess eventually we’ll also have five degrees betwen the two of us as well like my parents, but the anti-intellectualism & beliefs in downright magical thinking I see rampant in that party I hold completely responsible for the fact that the United States is currently 17th in the world in math & science scores.
    I would hope that you might garner some attention from them, but I’m not holding my breath as they seemed consigned to chase after a shrinking demographic in their pursuit of naked political power, rather than responsible governance & stewardship. I have always viewed this country as a ship, sailing toward the horizon of tomorrow. For too long, I believe that the Republican Party has been sailing the ship of state into the wrong direction. They need to be exiled, so that the rest of us can begin to bring this country back up to the standards of the rest of the world, & if they choose never to see the cold hard light of reality, consign them to the dustbin of history like the Whigs, & the Know-Nothings.

  • Bob Eck

    God bless you, Eric, for poignantly summarizing everything I have felt about the GOP since I was old enough to comprehend political ideals and values, as they were fed to me by my sociopathic Dad and silently suffering Mother. Signed, Bob, a 49 year-old white guy, born and raised in Cincinnati, Ohio (Hamilton County), who now lives in Brugge, Belgium, with my partner because he got kicked out of the USA, because our Connecticut marriage isn’t legally recognized by our federal government, but that same CT marriage IS legally recognized by the Belgian government, who, by the way, legalized same-sex marriage 10 years ago. Yeah, I know that was a run-on sentence, but I wanted it to read as one idea for impact.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Reda-StCyr/1394025128 Reda StCyr

    WTF Boy these people really need to get out an around other people more,especially if their as upset about this election as were all reading about They gonna have a fit come the next ones we got ready for their asses It don’t make sense to act this foolish They need to learn somehow an were sure gonna teach them, that others want the same in life & they do an we are not going to be deprived either They may as well get used to sharing!!!

  • TXRon

    Eric, there are things i agree and disagree but let me first say that with your education think about the words you use. My father who only had a high school education told me one thing that haunts me everytime I open my mouth, is that cursing is a sign of stupidity as you lack the necessary vocabulary to properly express yourself. So, minus the cursing, you have my ear and yes the GOP was clearly not on its game otherwise they would have won. I applaud you for being a small business owner who employs people but the truth is, middle class is dying. federal Government cannot continue to pay for all these programs. I too have lived abroad for many years and have many friends who use socialized medicine and they are having many challenges and difficulties with it. They used to not have copays but now they do, they used to not pay for medicine and now they do, and they used to be able to get appointments readily but now they wait months. I had a friend who had stage three cancer and was placed on a waiting list for treatment for months. She decided to fly to the US and pay for it before it was too late, thank goodness she had the money. Now i dont know about Vermont but I lived in more states than I can count as I am not a brilliant man, i actually have to bust my butt to actually learn things. The one thing I can actually say is what I see in America, both parties have failed this country. no one party is better and it is ashame that we Americans have to continually vote for what we feel is the lesser of two evils. I also have seen many Americans who are lazy, and allow greed to run there lives. To put things into perspective many Americans don’t want to live within their means and the financials show that. Besides a home, the average American today has roughly $20-$25,000 of credit card debt. That is rediculous and unfortunately i am one of them, not quite that large but ashamed to say that I learned a little late but I hope in time to fix it. We cant have everything we want and we cant expect those of you who made the right decisions and worked so hard to pay for our mistakes. I feel that the state should have more control over things, i think that people should have more control of themselves and understand that their decisions on how they live and choose to live can affect the people around them to include a nation. ow some of your commentors indicated how they discussed things with their fellow Republican friends to see wher they are coming from and couldnt understand them, I too talked with my friends who a democrats and I too could not understand where they were coming from. This is our problem as a nation

    • TXRon

      Sorry for the typo and grammar usage, its late and this stupid ipad keyboard is killing me. The point is guess I am trying to make is, it doesnt matter who is in the White house its we the people who need to fix things, we the people need to be responsible and we the people who are to blame. Being a total liberal or conservative is not the answer because we cannot have one without the other. Do,we need healthcare, YES but not at the expense of taxing the people an average of 56% of their wages and get nothing back form the Feds at the end of the year when you do your taxes. Well, that is what is happening to my friends abroad. Did we need it now, YES but not with the debt we already had. You and yours being in the Medical field should know that the price tag they set for Obama care was low balled and if not then you are niece in that fact as many Doctors I work with here and other places all seem to agree it will cost us alot more than the trillions it already blossomed too. So if you the hard working white middle class is willing to pay for it then God Bless you and your family but let me ask you, if the middle class is dying and only 10% of this nation holds the wealth then how long do you suppose it would take for this government to start taxing the below middle class….. They already are and will in 2014 when this fully kicks in. We will probably loose the Bush tax cuts in January and that alone will place many Americans in dire straits so I am happy that you can afford that eventual increased tax burden and i know since I am preparing for something like am hopeful I will but again many wont. Its our life style that is killing us. Many Europeans on a whole save and watch how they spend as do Asians but Americans dont. We for the most part live pay check to pay check or at least that is what i have seen and experienced.. I dont know about Vermont but I am not middle class and only know few who are so… Well i am pretty tired but America doesnt need to wake up and smell the coffee and bashing either party is not going to help we all will have differences of opinion such as I have gay friends and love them to death but I dont believe in Gay marriage and I have told them this and subsequently lost some of my friends… So they are telling me that I cannot have an opinion, well i miss them but that was their choice. I believe plants are living and viable creatures and because they cannot communicate doesnt mean that they dont feel pain but I dont push crap down Vegetarians throats, I dont protest farmers for the inhume way they treat corn and how using a tractor is cruel to the corn…. Get my point, people take things to an extreme, lets focus on the issue instead of bashing parties.. I voted for Romney, I am not saying he is the better man as we will never know and I did so because I didnt agree with Obama and seen non of the promises he made come to fruition but I am willing to work with him by being a more responsible part of we the people and will not subjugate to bashing him.

  • Good article

    I’m a left-tilting Independent married to a hard rightie. He’s a frustrating but lovely man whom I wouldn’t hope of changing because our brains are truly wired differently…as someone pointed out in the comments below, he really is m